1 00:01:01,710 --> 00:00:57,950 [Music] 2 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:01,720 this hope radio for the masses headliner 3 00:01:07,740 --> 00:01:05,530 between July 8 1947 the Army Air Force 4 00:01:09,660 --> 00:01:07,750 has announced that applying their - 5 00:01:12,780 --> 00:01:09,670 found under now in the possession of the 6 00:01:16,590 --> 00:01:12,790 are a name is rigged change the game 7 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:16,600 game changer I occasionally think how 8 00:01:23,580 --> 00:01:19,810 quickly our differences worldwide would 9 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:23,590 vanish if we were facing an alien threat 10 00:01:33,210 --> 00:01:30,480 [Applause] 11 00:01:36,149 --> 00:01:33,220 this is fade to black with your host 12 00:01:39,330 --> 00:01:36,159 Jimmy Church on the game changer radio 13 00:01:43,190 --> 00:01:39,340 network and a GRA the global radio 14 00:01:48,340 --> 00:01:46,200 I need your help to do the 15 00:01:54,010 --> 00:01:48,350 eighty-five 16 00:01:57,140 --> 00:01:56,200 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guest 49 00:03:46,970 --> 00:03:43,250 Brad Claussen is here that's right 50 00:03:47,750 --> 00:03:46,980 artist Brad Claussen now more on Brad in 51 00:03:50,150 --> 00:03:47,760 just a bit 52 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:50,160 three nights three first-time guests 53 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:51,090 here on fade to black 54 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:54,210 incredible tomorrow night is another 55 00:04:00,350 --> 00:03:56,850 Fator night open lines all night long 56 00:04:02,900 --> 00:04:00,360 and you know what to do on social media 57 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:02,910 you can go chase us down on on stellar 58 00:04:07,430 --> 00:04:06,930 ons te ll a are calm on stellar calm of 59 00:04:11,150 --> 00:04:07,440 course 60 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:11,160 Twitter at Jay Church radio you can do 61 00:04:17,210 --> 00:04:13,890 that there on Twitter hashtag F to B is 62 00:04:21,290 --> 00:04:17,220 the sandbox come and join in on all of 63 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:21,300 the amazing conversation I see all the 64 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:22,650 retweets here I'm gonna go ahead and do 65 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:26,690 it I see what you guys are doing and 66 00:04:33,620 --> 00:04:30,210 YouTube Facebook everything is Jimmy 67 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:33,630 turrets are favor block and there you go 68 00:04:38,330 --> 00:04:35,490 any questions or comments on the show 69 00:04:42,350 --> 00:04:38,340 tonight hashtag F to be on Twitter all 70 00:04:43,280 --> 00:04:42,360 of that is very simple and I see what 71 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:43,290 you guys are doing you guys are 72 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:48,690 retweeting yes I got a new guitar for my 73 00:04:57,770 --> 00:04:53,930 birthday from Rita and Deanna and Nicole 74 00:05:02,300 --> 00:04:57,780 thank you for it yes 75 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:02,310 it is a beautiful white Olympic white a 76 00:05:07,970 --> 00:05:04,410 Stratocaster it is hanging on the wall 77 00:05:10,100 --> 00:05:07,980 behind me and there you go so that's 78 00:05:13,870 --> 00:05:10,110 what that is and it is beautiful to 79 00:05:19,270 --> 00:05:13,880 plays nice I want to thank Billy Segal 80 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:19,280 and our manager over at Fender guitars 81 00:05:25,790 --> 00:05:24,690 fender instruments for assisting in the 82 00:05:28,580 --> 00:05:25,800 big surprise 83 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:28,590 Thank You Billy you're just a really 84 00:05:31,609 --> 00:05:29,849 really cool dude 85 00:05:35,239 --> 00:05:31,619 and that got pulled off and there it is 86 00:05:37,699 --> 00:05:35,249 right there it's uh it plays as nice as 87 00:05:41,329 --> 00:05:37,709 it looks to a this is one of the when 88 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:41,339 you get a new guitar when you when 89 00:05:46,790 --> 00:05:43,289 you're a kid right you're a kid you're 90 00:05:48,769 --> 00:05:46,800 15 14 13 12 years old and you get your 91 00:05:51,799 --> 00:05:48,779 first guitar that's in a case right and 92 00:05:54,290 --> 00:05:51,809 you open it up there's a smell there's a 93 00:05:56,179 --> 00:05:54,300 smell and you never forget that smell 94 00:05:59,839 --> 00:05:56,189 and every time it's just like buying a 95 00:06:01,549 --> 00:05:59,849 new car and every time you get a new car 96 00:06:03,679 --> 00:06:01,559 and you jump in you're like man that new 97 00:06:06,799 --> 00:06:03,689 car smell it's the same thing with 98 00:06:09,829 --> 00:06:06,809 guitars you open that thing up and when 99 00:06:14,329 --> 00:06:09,839 there's a there's a smell and I'm gonna 100 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:14,339 say that has never left this spell is 101 00:06:21,230 --> 00:06:17,490 that an Olympic white apparently smells 102 00:06:23,779 --> 00:06:21,240 best so with that yes today is my 103 00:06:25,969 --> 00:06:23,789 birthday so thank you for all of the 104 00:06:27,739 --> 00:06:25,979 birthday wishes they've been coming in 105 00:06:32,719 --> 00:06:27,749 all day long thank you thank you double 106 00:06:36,769 --> 00:06:32,729 nickel fifty-five years old and I got a 107 00:06:41,540 --> 00:06:36,779 really cool gift today from mate' Meyer 108 00:06:44,119 --> 00:06:41,550 and so before we do that talk about that 109 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:44,129 in a second but here is the birthday 110 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:50,480 [Music] 111 00:06:54,110 --> 00:06:53,930 [Applause] 112 00:06:57,410 --> 00:06:54,120 [Music] 113 00:06:58,740 --> 00:06:57,420 [Applause] 114 00:07:06,730 --> 00:06:58,750 [Music] 115 00:07:10,450 --> 00:07:06,740 there you go all right yeah he sent me 116 00:07:12,370 --> 00:07:10,460 elo at Wembley or bust the DVD 117 00:07:17,740 --> 00:07:12,380 collection thank you for that and he 118 00:07:20,470 --> 00:07:17,750 also sent me the movie Soyuz 7 which it 119 00:07:23,050 --> 00:07:20,480 and thank you for that 70s so you seven 120 00:07:27,310 --> 00:07:23,060 which is one of the craziest stories in 121 00:07:28,420 --> 00:07:27,320 in all of space travel and so we you 122 00:07:30,940 --> 00:07:28,430 seven if you haven't seen the movie 123 00:07:34,450 --> 00:07:30,950 check it out I'm gonna re-watch it I've 124 00:07:37,659 --> 00:07:34,460 seen it Rita when we watched saw you 125 00:07:39,700 --> 00:07:37,669 seven the first time through and it's 126 00:07:41,980 --> 00:07:39,710 interesting that Monta sent us this he 127 00:07:44,140 --> 00:07:41,990 didn't know we see soy seven and read is 128 00:07:46,629 --> 00:07:44,150 like man I grew up in Russia I would 129 00:07:50,770 --> 00:07:46,639 have remembered this if it was true this 130 00:07:53,469 --> 00:07:50,780 is the craziest story ever well turn out 131 00:07:55,780 --> 00:07:53,479 to be true and if you haven't seen it 132 00:07:58,120 --> 00:07:55,790 saw you seven maybe one night on the 133 00:08:01,060 --> 00:07:58,130 show will cover it and I'll bring on 134 00:08:05,350 --> 00:08:01,070 somebody to talk about so e7 because if 135 00:08:09,310 --> 00:08:05,360 you think Apollo 13 was nuts soy seven 136 00:08:12,630 --> 00:08:09,320 was every bit if not as crazy crazier 137 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:12,640 than Apollo 13 Russia had their own 138 00:08:17,890 --> 00:08:16,130 Apollo 13 so you seven okay so with that 139 00:08:21,279 --> 00:08:17,900 let's get this show crack not allowed to 140 00:08:23,050 --> 00:08:21,289 do tonight Brad Claussen is here you can 141 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:23,060 email throughout the show tonight Jimmy 142 00:08:29,409 --> 00:08:26,330 at Jimmy Church radio calm and let me 143 00:08:31,180 --> 00:08:29,419 get to the breaking news that has been 144 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:31,190 going on all day long today I don't 145 00:08:38,290 --> 00:08:33,770 think you missed some of this because 146 00:08:41,199 --> 00:08:38,300 today the Dow plunged nearly eight 147 00:08:46,390 --> 00:08:41,209 hundred and thirty-two points today the 148 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:46,400 third worst point decline in history all 149 00:08:51,340 --> 00:08:49,610 30 dau stocks were in the red sending 150 00:08:53,500 --> 00:08:51,350 the index below twenty-six thousand 151 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:53,510 points for the first time in a month the 152 00:08:59,769 --> 00:08:55,970 index fell by more than three percent 153 00:09:03,519 --> 00:08:59,779 that's not all the sp500 posted its 154 00:09:08,470 --> 00:09:03,529 fifth straight decline plummeting nearly 155 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:08,480 3.3 percent tech stocks got hit really 156 00:09:12,210 --> 00:09:09,490 bad 157 00:09:14,489 --> 00:09:12,220 and the Nasdaq dropped more than 4% in 158 00:09:17,359 --> 00:09:14,499 the worst percentage decline since June 159 00:09:21,540 --> 00:09:17,369 of 2016 160 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:21,550 Wow Wow 161 00:09:26,249 --> 00:09:24,490 things always you know they say to go up 162 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:26,259 you got to go down to go to hunting how 163 00:09:31,919 --> 00:09:29,410 to go up all that stuff comes into play 164 00:09:33,929 --> 00:09:31,929 here are we seen some kind of 165 00:09:39,150 --> 00:09:33,939 Equalization I don't want another repeat 166 00:09:41,220 --> 00:09:39,160 of 2008 now man there you go 167 00:09:44,519 --> 00:09:41,230 but it did I don't know how much money 168 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:44,529 was lost today I'm gonna get to some 169 00:09:51,389 --> 00:09:47,050 other numbers here in just a bit 170 00:09:54,239 --> 00:09:51,399 also today hurricane Michael made 171 00:09:57,059 --> 00:09:54,249 landfall hit the Florida Panhandle today 172 00:09:58,949 --> 00:09:57,069 I watched it all day live on television 173 00:10:01,710 --> 00:09:58,959 it is still playing out it's been 174 00:10:03,419 --> 00:10:01,720 downgraded to a category one that was 175 00:10:05,699 --> 00:10:03,429 right before the show it's probably down 176 00:10:08,759 --> 00:10:05,709 to just a tropical storm by this point 177 00:10:13,290 --> 00:10:08,769 but it was big winds it was big damage 178 00:10:15,539 --> 00:10:13,300 and so far only one death has been 179 00:10:17,249 --> 00:10:15,549 reported now they're going in now and 180 00:10:21,090 --> 00:10:17,259 all the first responders are able to go 181 00:10:24,119 --> 00:10:21,100 at it and and and get through this some 182 00:10:27,289 --> 00:10:24,129 of the footage is just incredible but it 183 00:10:30,269 --> 00:10:27,299 it was very close to being a category 5 184 00:10:34,139 --> 00:10:30,279 it was just a couple of miles per hour 185 00:10:37,650 --> 00:10:34,149 off of the wind speed but it was a it 186 00:10:40,230 --> 00:10:37,660 was a gnarly day today with that but I'm 187 00:10:43,350 --> 00:10:40,240 gonna say only one death so far reported 188 00:10:46,049 --> 00:10:43,360 and and not that we haven't had that 189 00:10:49,859 --> 00:10:46,059 much bad news I would say that everybody 190 00:10:52,799 --> 00:10:49,869 prepared for this and and responded to 191 00:10:56,030 --> 00:10:52,809 it so let you know fingers crossed right 192 00:10:58,350 --> 00:10:56,040 now no big catastrophic crazy stuff 193 00:11:02,730 --> 00:10:58,360 coming out we're not gonna have a repeat 194 00:11:06,869 --> 00:11:02,740 of Katrina for sure and also today now 195 00:11:09,059 --> 00:11:06,879 you this may have gotten away from all 196 00:11:14,429 --> 00:11:09,069 of you so that's why you're here 197 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:14,439 Griese news out of Greece Greece has 198 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:18,970 banned overweight American tourists from 199 00:11:26,100 --> 00:11:23,290 writing donkeys on the popular I 200 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:26,110 of santorini half after activists 201 00:11:31,319 --> 00:11:28,410 complained that they were suffering 202 00:11:33,660 --> 00:11:31,329 spinal injuries the donkey sightseers 203 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:33,670 often pay to ride the donkeys up steep 204 00:11:38,730 --> 00:11:36,730 slopes from the shore to the islands 205 00:11:42,449 --> 00:11:38,740 main town but transporting heavier 206 00:11:45,090 --> 00:11:42,459 travelers Americans has taken its toll 207 00:11:47,790 --> 00:11:45,100 on the creatures and prompted anger from 208 00:11:49,889 --> 00:11:47,800 campaign groups people wishing to ride 209 00:11:56,670 --> 00:11:49,899 the donkeys will now have to weigh less 210 00:12:04,499 --> 00:11:56,680 than 220 pounds or 1/5 of the donkeys 211 00:12:07,499 --> 00:12:04,509 total body weight what do you make of 212 00:12:10,620 --> 00:12:07,509 that I was just kidding about the 213 00:12:14,639 --> 00:12:10,630 Americans part no I wasn't yeah I was no 214 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:14,649 I I wasn't I wasn't ok here we go other 215 00:12:20,509 --> 00:12:18,490 numbers news that's gonna blow your mind 216 00:12:24,150 --> 00:12:20,519 are you ready 217 00:12:28,680 --> 00:12:24,160 video ads that you see all day long 218 00:12:32,009 --> 00:12:28,690 video ads on the internet right video 219 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:32,019 ads you can't escape them video ads 220 00:12:39,680 --> 00:12:34,569 today account for about 1/4 of all 221 00:12:44,309 --> 00:12:39,690 digital advertising in the United States 222 00:12:48,809 --> 00:12:44,319 Facebook is absolutely dominant in that 223 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:48,819 space accounting for 25% of digital 224 00:12:59,490 --> 00:12:54,730 advertising revenue this year how much 225 00:13:02,240 --> 00:12:59,500 is that in dollars great question and 226 00:13:07,650 --> 00:13:02,250 I'm glad you asked 227 00:13:13,139 --> 00:13:07,660 Facebook's us video ad revenue including 228 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:13,149 Instagram is projected to total 6 point 229 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:18,370 8 1 billion dollars this year that's 230 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:21,810 over twice as much as the net revenue 231 00:13:32,560 --> 00:13:28,170 from second-place Google that's right 232 00:13:36,370 --> 00:13:32,570 Google will generate from YouTube 233 00:13:40,870 --> 00:13:36,380 less than half three point three six 234 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:40,880 billion dollars and you need 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292 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:25,310 the singer for hailstorm and she shreds 293 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:28,370 to man she's got those explorers she's a 294 00:16:34,660 --> 00:16:31,250 shredder she really is she's a great 295 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:34,670 singer great singer hail storm if you 296 00:16:38,650 --> 00:16:35,930 haven't checked out a hill well they 297 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:38,660 want to grammy a few years ago for album 298 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:41,690 of the year but just great singer great 299 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:45,370 great front woman great guitar player 300 00:16:54,130 --> 00:16:48,170 alright have you seen their new video 301 00:16:57,640 --> 00:16:54,140 what does that thing called mmm it's a 302 00:16:58,060 --> 00:16:57,650 good video some poison foie and she's 303 00:17:01,360 --> 00:16:58,070 great 304 00:17:02,290 --> 00:17:01,370 anyway Lizzy Hale today is 34 on this 305 00:17:09,580 --> 00:17:02,300 day in history 306 00:17:12,370 --> 00:17:09,590 Oh t d 1987 it went down it did the 307 00:17:15,430 --> 00:17:12,380 world changed on this day in 1987 308 00:17:20,490 --> 00:17:15,440 because it was the day that Whitesnake 309 00:17:25,170 --> 00:17:20,500 released the video for here I go again 310 00:17:28,650 --> 00:17:25,180 featuring two Jaguars and Tawny Kitaen 311 00:17:31,210 --> 00:17:28,660 [Laughter] 312 00:17:32,260 --> 00:17:31,220 yeah that's why you love this show come 313 00:17:37,780 --> 00:17:32,270 on admit it 314 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:37,790 fader fact how many licks does it take 315 00:17:44,770 --> 00:17:40,810 to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop 316 00:17:47,670 --> 00:17:44,780 right we've this is one of the big 317 00:17:51,010 --> 00:17:47,680 unanswered questions of the universe 318 00:17:55,870 --> 00:17:51,020 well the world may never know but on 319 00:17:58,280 --> 00:17:55,880 average a licking machine made at Purdue 320 00:18:05,600 --> 00:17:58,290 University in Indiana 321 00:18:07,340 --> 00:18:05,610 needed just 364 and that is your fader 322 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:07,350 fact tonight 323 00:18:13,820 --> 00:18:10,410 night three of our Egypt week here on 324 00:18:17,360 --> 00:18:13,830 fade to black we have very special guest 325 00:18:20,330 --> 00:18:17,370 artist Brad Claussen joins the show he 326 00:18:23,300 --> 00:18:20,340 is absolutely amazing he is featured in 327 00:18:26,050 --> 00:18:23,310 the magical Egypt documentary series by 328 00:18:28,490 --> 00:18:26,060 chance Gardner he's also going to be 329 00:18:30,590 --> 00:18:28,500 featured I think on the closing night 330 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:30,600 we'll talk about that tonight of the 331 00:18:34,370 --> 00:18:32,970 magical Egypt online symposium that is 332 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:34,380 going on right now you can sign up for 333 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:36,930 that over at magical Egypt calm tonight 334 00:18:42,380 --> 00:18:39,810 artist Brad Claussen tomorrow night is 335 00:18:45,740 --> 00:18:42,390 another Fator night with open lines all 336 00:18:46,310 --> 00:18:45,750 night long all right let me hit this 337 00:18:49,820 --> 00:18:46,320 coffee 338 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:49,830 fade to black blend fade to black but we 339 00:18:58,490 --> 00:18:53,490 got a burr grinder now and a burger 340 00:19:08,860 --> 00:18:58,500 it's that Tawny Kitaen Eric Eric you are 341 00:19:14,120 --> 00:19:12,530 that's funny that's funny okay anyway if 342 00:19:17,030 --> 00:19:14,130 you want to see what we're laughing 343 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:17,040 about so over to hash tag FTB follow me 344 00:19:21,950 --> 00:19:19,770 on twitter @jj radio man and then head 345 00:19:26,690 --> 00:19:21,960 straight over okay let me hit this fade 346 00:19:28,250 --> 00:19:26,700 to black blend because with the 347 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:28,260 knowledge that we've been spreading all 348 00:19:33,350 --> 00:19:30,930 week long and of course I I went over 349 00:19:36,890 --> 00:19:33,360 and hung out with chance for a couple 350 00:19:39,890 --> 00:19:36,900 hours for the magical Egypt symposium 351 00:19:43,430 --> 00:19:39,900 and I talked about this last night with 352 00:19:45,260 --> 00:19:43,440 with Christopher Dunn and you know was 353 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:45,270 with Chris also on Monday with my new 354 00:19:55,820 --> 00:19:51,410 save Tzadik and the thing that I need to 355 00:20:01,190 --> 00:19:55,830 constantly reestablish yet our footing 356 00:20:03,710 --> 00:20:01,200 back is okay look just let me lay it out 357 00:20:06,260 --> 00:20:03,720 for you the story kind of goes like this 358 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:06,270 alright let me cut to the chase the 359 00:20:12,180 --> 00:20:10,050 official history of the world the one 360 00:20:14,249 --> 00:20:12,190 that they want us to believe 361 00:20:16,259 --> 00:20:14,259 have been teaching us for generations is 362 00:20:20,970 --> 00:20:16,269 that everything started around 3000 BC 363 00:20:23,639 --> 00:20:20,980 in Egypt followed by Greece and Rome 364 00:20:26,700 --> 00:20:23,649 which didn't happen by the way for 365 00:20:29,159 --> 00:20:26,710 another 2,500 years or so you know right 366 00:20:30,779 --> 00:20:29,169 in there no real mention of ancient 367 00:20:32,669 --> 00:20:30,789 Sumer they don't talk about China 368 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:32,679 that'll bring up northern Europe or 369 00:20:37,769 --> 00:20:34,570 Central or South America they don't 370 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:37,779 bring up Australian Aborigines they 371 00:20:43,700 --> 00:20:40,210 don't do it no they it's just not talked 372 00:20:46,980 --> 00:20:43,710 about but the other part of the story 373 00:20:52,470 --> 00:20:46,990 that gets repeated over and over again 374 00:20:55,649 --> 00:20:52,480 is that early man humans the very start 375 00:20:58,649 --> 00:20:55,659 of everything of us came out of central 376 00:21:00,119 --> 00:20:58,659 and southern Africa right yeah they'll 377 00:21:01,799 --> 00:21:00,129 bring that they'll bring that up too and 378 00:21:06,149 --> 00:21:01,809 I'm gonna get back to this point in a 379 00:21:10,799 --> 00:21:06,159 minute so just stay with me while Egypt 380 00:21:14,490 --> 00:21:10,809 and Mesopotamia were rocketing off with 381 00:21:15,990 --> 00:21:14,500 technology and they did there's no 382 00:21:18,930 --> 00:21:16,000 question about it the first school's 383 00:21:21,830 --> 00:21:18,940 first music the first laws the first 384 00:21:26,669 --> 00:21:21,840 courts the first governments and 385 00:21:29,999 --> 00:21:26,679 agriculture and streets infrastructure 386 00:21:32,009 --> 00:21:30,009 right cities all of this stuff happened 387 00:21:36,259 --> 00:21:32,019 at the same time right there Egypt and 388 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:36,269 Mesopotamia but while this was happening 389 00:21:42,029 --> 00:21:39,129 islands in the Mediterranean were also 390 00:21:46,409 --> 00:21:42,039 jumping at the same time but they don't 391 00:21:49,860 --> 00:21:46,419 talk about this and if you really get 392 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:49,870 down to some technical points at the 393 00:21:59,330 --> 00:21:55,570 same time 3,000 of 3200 BC yeah but 394 00:22:03,930 --> 00:21:59,340 something strange happened because 395 00:22:07,379 --> 00:22:03,940 everything collapsed and for five to six 396 00:22:10,889 --> 00:22:07,389 hundred years the whole area went into a 397 00:22:14,730 --> 00:22:10,899 dark age again and a very serious Dark 398 00:22:16,499 --> 00:22:14,740 Age one that isn't talked about you know 399 00:22:18,570 --> 00:22:16,509 we talk about what went down in Europe 400 00:22:21,060 --> 00:22:18,580 and and Great Britain we talk about 401 00:22:23,909 --> 00:22:21,070 those dark ages but we don't talk about 402 00:22:25,830 --> 00:22:23,919 what happened in the Aegean Sea in 403 00:22:33,470 --> 00:22:25,840 Greece we don't we don't 404 00:22:38,220 --> 00:22:33,480 oh they're virtually nothing was written 405 00:22:38,940 --> 00:22:38,230 and in that period for about a thousand 406 00:22:43,529 --> 00:22:38,950 years 407 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:43,539 you know from 3200 BC to to around 2000 408 00:22:50,899 --> 00:22:46,090 BC all the way up you know touching you 409 00:22:54,990 --> 00:22:50,909 know the this period they had everything 410 00:22:57,450 --> 00:22:55,000 all of the knowledge and progress was 411 00:23:01,260 --> 00:22:57,460 happening it in in this one area of the 412 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:01,270 world and you had the Mediterranean the 413 00:23:05,850 --> 00:23:03,730 Aegean Sea at the Nile Valley you had 414 00:23:08,700 --> 00:23:05,860 the Mediterranean you know from Greece 415 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:08,710 all the way over to Israel you know 416 00:23:17,490 --> 00:23:13,890 heading east into Syria and Iraq a crazy 417 00:23:21,149 --> 00:23:17,500 amount of knowledge all bursting at the 418 00:23:24,029 --> 00:23:21,159 seams at the same time and you could 419 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:24,039 draw a circle around it you could just 420 00:23:31,159 --> 00:23:29,250 draw this circle right right there 421 00:23:37,260 --> 00:23:31,169 outside of it 422 00:23:39,180 --> 00:23:37,270 Stone Age nothingness was going on right 423 00:23:40,799 --> 00:23:39,190 and our so that's what they want us to 424 00:23:43,470 --> 00:23:40,809 to believe that's what they want to 425 00:23:47,460 --> 00:23:43,480 teach us that's what they want us to 426 00:23:50,669 --> 00:23:47,470 think well I tried to drive this point 427 00:23:53,370 --> 00:23:50,679 home as often as I can but if we think 428 00:23:55,430 --> 00:23:53,380 about that circle that imaginary circle 429 00:23:59,360 --> 00:23:55,440 right all the way over to the ease to 430 00:24:03,450 --> 00:23:59,370 Sumer you know the freight ease you know 431 00:24:05,279 --> 00:24:03,460 Israel right there you know Lebanon that 432 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:05,289 whole part of the Mediterranean of 433 00:24:10,889 --> 00:24:06,730 course going down to Egypt and then you 434 00:24:12,870 --> 00:24:10,899 go up to to southern Greece and and the 435 00:24:16,980 --> 00:24:12,880 Aegean Sea and those islands that were 436 00:24:18,990 --> 00:24:16,990 up there you know that circle but this 437 00:24:22,980 --> 00:24:19,000 is where it gets strange you have to ask 438 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:22,990 yourself where did the foundation of all 439 00:24:29,700 --> 00:24:26,770 of this knowledge come from because it 440 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:29,710 seems that it should have come from 441 00:24:36,690 --> 00:24:33,330 southern Africa because after all 442 00:24:39,579 --> 00:24:36,700 civilization had a four million year 443 00:24:45,259 --> 00:24:39,589 jump on things 444 00:24:48,349 --> 00:24:45,269 but it didn't first and this is very 445 00:24:51,079 --> 00:24:48,359 important the islands of Greece and the 446 00:24:54,079 --> 00:24:51,089 Aegean Sea should have had things 447 00:24:59,629 --> 00:24:54,089 happening 20 to 200 years before Egypt 448 00:25:02,269 --> 00:24:59,639 and they may have but they lost it they 449 00:25:05,029 --> 00:25:02,279 went into the Dark Age and apparently 450 00:25:07,279 --> 00:25:05,039 while things were developed for the 451 00:25:10,099 --> 00:25:07,289 Minoans and it was it was jumping off 452 00:25:14,209 --> 00:25:10,109 things were really cool but they had no 453 00:25:17,810 --> 00:25:14,219 idea they did some trading you know some 454 00:25:19,669 --> 00:25:17,820 superficial communication going down but 455 00:25:22,039 --> 00:25:19,679 they had no idea about the truly amazing 456 00:25:25,099 --> 00:25:22,049 things that were happening in a in in 457 00:25:28,310 --> 00:25:25,109 Egypt and they did any any idea what was 458 00:25:32,029 --> 00:25:28,320 going on and Sumer but this is where 459 00:25:35,659 --> 00:25:32,039 history really comes off the rails and 460 00:25:39,379 --> 00:25:35,669 it's gobekli tepe gobekli tepe 461 00:25:42,379 --> 00:25:39,389 discovered in 1995 before that the 462 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:42,389 history books were solid in the way that 463 00:25:48,889 --> 00:25:45,450 they approached the start of everything 464 00:25:52,549 --> 00:25:48,899 at 3000 BC again and I'm gonna repeat it 465 00:25:55,789 --> 00:25:52,559 was Egypt Greece then Rome and they just 466 00:25:57,369 --> 00:25:55,799 eliminate everything else but yes it was 467 00:26:02,269 --> 00:25:57,379 gobekli tepe 468 00:26:06,199 --> 00:26:02,279 did the knowledge travel north from 469 00:26:10,389 --> 00:26:06,209 southern Africa right up through Egypt 470 00:26:12,979 --> 00:26:10,399 over to Sumer and then up to Armenia and 471 00:26:16,129 --> 00:26:12,989 gobekli tepe remember is Armenia back 472 00:26:19,339 --> 00:26:16,139 then it wasn't wasn't modern-day Turkey 473 00:26:21,310 --> 00:26:19,349 that was Armenia no it didn't it didn't 474 00:26:24,379 --> 00:26:21,320 happen that way 475 00:26:28,579 --> 00:26:24,389 gobekli tepe happened seven thousand 476 00:26:31,489 --> 00:26:28,589 years before the nile valley before the 477 00:26:36,219 --> 00:26:31,499 freight ease in the Tigris Rivers which 478 00:26:39,649 --> 00:26:36,229 means that the tech came from the north 479 00:26:44,389 --> 00:26:39,659 there was no trail of evidence from 480 00:26:47,539 --> 00:26:44,399 south to north and if we look at things 481 00:26:49,909 --> 00:26:47,549 as we should with everything as we 482 00:26:53,060 --> 00:26:49,919 priests as its presented today and as we 483 00:26:55,909 --> 00:26:53,070 know it everything that we've been 484 00:26:59,090 --> 00:26:55,919 told doesn't hold up in fact it's the 485 00:27:02,149 --> 00:26:59,100 exact opposite now this is what I think 486 00:27:04,190 --> 00:27:02,159 is well hi this is how I think the 487 00:27:07,220 --> 00:27:04,200 education system is going to start to 488 00:27:10,100 --> 00:27:07,230 approach this I think the next searches 489 00:27:13,580 --> 00:27:10,110 for real history will take place around 490 00:27:16,190 --> 00:27:13,590 the Black Sea modern-day Bulgaria 491 00:27:17,210 --> 00:27:16,200 Romania Ukraine you know on the east 492 00:27:19,940 --> 00:27:17,220 side 493 00:27:22,310 --> 00:27:19,950 you know Georgia you know Russia itself 494 00:27:24,820 --> 00:27:22,320 they'll say that it's probably from 495 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:24,830 these regions that an ancient culture 496 00:27:29,690 --> 00:27:27,690 existed and thrived and and taught the 497 00:27:31,220 --> 00:27:29,700 builders of Gobekli Tepe that the 498 00:27:35,269 --> 00:27:31,230 knowledge came from the north and went 499 00:27:37,730 --> 00:27:35,279 south and and that knowledge spread in 500 00:27:40,940 --> 00:27:37,740 that direction but we're a little too 501 00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:40,950 smart for that especially here on fade 502 00:27:45,710 --> 00:27:42,960 to black 503 00:27:49,039 --> 00:27:45,720 it all came from the center of that 504 00:27:55,820 --> 00:27:49,049 circle that I mentioned earlier think 505 00:27:59,570 --> 00:27:55,830 about it that circle and gobekli tepe if 506 00:28:02,630 --> 00:27:59,580 you draw that circle correctly and you 507 00:28:05,380 --> 00:28:02,640 go through ancient Sumer up at the top 508 00:28:10,669 --> 00:28:05,390 edge of that circle that you draw is 509 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:10,679 gobekli tepe it's part of it think about 510 00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:13,890 it seriously the knowledge started in 511 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:18,809 the center there Nile Sumer right 512 00:28:25,220 --> 00:28:23,010 ancient Greece 3000 BC and and gobekli 513 00:28:25,820 --> 00:28:25,230 tepe is up there it's part of this 514 00:28:28,130 --> 00:28:25,830 circle 515 00:28:31,940 --> 00:28:28,140 even though it was seven thousand years 516 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:31,950 before need to think about this and 517 00:28:40,070 --> 00:28:36,450 don't let the man snow us on this we're 518 00:28:42,799 --> 00:28:40,080 too smart it happened the opposite the 519 00:28:44,529 --> 00:28:42,809 exact opposite as they are trying to 520 00:28:47,299 --> 00:28:44,539 teach us in the history books today 521 00:28:49,310 --> 00:28:47,309 think about that we're gonna discuss all 522 00:28:53,149 --> 00:28:49,320 of this tonight because it is night 523 00:28:55,490 --> 00:28:53,159 three of our Egypt week and we have very 524 00:28:59,120 --> 00:28:55,500 special guest artist Brad Claussen joins 525 00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:59,130 the show now what you need to do this is 526 00:29:02,990 --> 00:29:00,480 what I would do I'm gonna head towards a 527 00:29:06,529 --> 00:29:03,000 break right here while I'm at this break 528 00:29:11,779 --> 00:29:06,539 you need to google Brad Claussen que el 529 00:29:15,889 --> 00:29:11,789 au s en that's it click on images go and 530 00:29:18,169 --> 00:29:15,899 look at Brad's artwork you're gonna get 531 00:29:20,750 --> 00:29:18,179 a grasp of who we have on this show 532 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:20,760 tonight and his research into ancient 533 00:29:26,090 --> 00:29:23,970 Egypt and symbolism and what is going on 534 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:26,100 not only throughout history and its 535 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:27,890 influence on cultures around the world 536 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:30,690 but all the way through to today and his 537 00:29:36,769 --> 00:29:33,090 own personal artwork the other art work 538 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:36,779 that he does and in through out pop 539 00:29:38,930 --> 00:29:38,610 culture it's going to be a great show 540 00:29:41,330 --> 00:29:38,940 tonight 541 00:29:44,690 --> 00:29:41,340 I'm your host Jimmy Church on the game 542 00:29:47,090 --> 00:29:44,700 changer Network in kg RA the planet 543 00:29:51,330 --> 00:29:47,100 this is fade to black stay with us I'll 544 00:29:51,340 --> 00:29:57,840 [Music] 545 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:00,299 this is Nicole Church daughter of 546 00:30:04,350 --> 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with artist Brad 633 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:40,840 Claussen who grew up right here in 634 00:34:47,909 --> 00:34:43,690 Southern California he moved to Seattle 635 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:47,919 in 1999 to begin a nine year career as 636 00:34:55,290 --> 00:34:52,450 the in-house designer for Pearl Jam in 637 00:34:57,119 --> 00:34:55,300 July 2007 he launched artillery design 638 00:34:59,130 --> 00:34:57,129 his one-man design shop where he 639 00:35:02,370 --> 00:34:59,140 continues to make posters for Pearl Jam 640 00:35:05,339 --> 00:35:02,380 Built to Spill widespread panic think 641 00:35:08,430 --> 00:35:05,349 you know Brad I'm gonna continue with 642 00:35:10,380 --> 00:35:08,440 this but the list of bands is long and 643 00:35:11,940 --> 00:35:10,390 I've cut it off here because I just want 644 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:11,950 to whip it out on everybody here in just 645 00:35:17,670 --> 00:35:13,930 a bit so we'll do that in just a second 646 00:35:19,410 --> 00:35:17,680 his new book it's called new from a 647 00:35:21,660 --> 00:35:19,420 basement in Seattle the poster art of 648 00:35:24,150 --> 00:35:21,670 Brad Claussen is an extensive look into 649 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:24,160 the creative process on how he designs 650 00:35:29,190 --> 00:35:26,770 all of this imagery for these rock 651 00:35:31,079 --> 00:35:29,200 posters but tonight we're gonna discuss 652 00:35:33,839 --> 00:35:31,089 not only his journey in discovering the 653 00:35:36,359 --> 00:35:33,849 symbology in ancient Egyptian art and 654 00:35:38,430 --> 00:35:36,369 sculpture and his contribution to the 655 00:35:40,170 --> 00:35:38,440 magical Egypt documentary and supposin 656 00:35:41,970 --> 00:35:40,180 but we're gonna talk about how he uses 657 00:35:43,859 --> 00:35:41,980 it today in his own artwork both 658 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:43,869 personal and in the world of rock and 659 00:35:49,620 --> 00:35:46,570 roll and how it exists throughout pop 660 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:49,630 culture in our education system his 661 00:35:53,670 --> 00:35:52,450 website is artillery design.com and i 662 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:53,680 would like to welcome for the first time 663 00:35:59,520 --> 00:35:56,650 to fade to black Brad Claussen Brad how 664 00:36:02,160 --> 00:35:59,530 are you good evening man I'm good how 665 00:36:04,170 --> 00:36:02,170 are you I am fantastic I'm so glad that 666 00:36:07,109 --> 00:36:04,180 you're here but you know what before we 667 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:07,119 get started Brad we've got to do the 668 00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:13,210 first-time guests disclaimer okay it's 669 00:36:17,310 --> 00:36:15,730 simple man it's just it's just you and I 670 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:17,320 sitting on my couch having a 671 00:36:21,570 --> 00:36:19,570 conversation as friends and where the 672 00:36:23,220 --> 00:36:21,580 conversation starts it starts and where 673 00:36:25,140 --> 00:36:23,230 it ends it ends but we're gonna end as 674 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:25,150 friends there you go see 675 00:36:34,170 --> 00:36:27,490 easy see you were sweating there for a 676 00:36:37,230 --> 00:36:34,180 second oh thank you so much man 677 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:37,240 I don't know how old you are but I I hit 678 00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:40,210 the double nickel the double nickel 679 00:36:45,990 --> 00:36:42,730 I can't even believe it you know and you 680 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:46,000 and I were talking before the show we're 681 00:36:49,380 --> 00:36:48,010 talking rock and roll for Fright you 682 00:36:53,010 --> 00:36:49,390 know we couldn't get off the phone right 683 00:36:55,170 --> 00:36:53,020 having so much fun right and and you you 684 00:36:57,330 --> 00:36:55,180 got a pretty good taste of my history 685 00:37:00,390 --> 00:36:57,340 right we have a lot of mutual friends 686 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:00,400 between the two of us and that's me I 687 00:37:06,810 --> 00:37:04,810 don't you know I don't I'm 55 I can't I 688 00:37:09,150 --> 00:37:06,820 can't even believe it I just I don't 689 00:37:11,490 --> 00:37:09,160 know where the years went and I don't 690 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:11,500 feel it I I hope I don't look it but 691 00:37:16,140 --> 00:37:14,170 yeah I never thought that you know in 692 00:37:18,900 --> 00:37:16,150 the world of rock and roll you know 55 693 00:37:20,700 --> 00:37:18,910 but here we are you know there you go 694 00:37:23,730 --> 00:37:20,710 that it's it's funny you say that 695 00:37:25,260 --> 00:37:23,740 because it's brought to my attention a 696 00:37:28,380 --> 00:37:25,270 lot of the times that the the artwork 697 00:37:30,690 --> 00:37:28,390 that I do for different bands a lot of 698 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:30,700 those bands are in their 50s I mean you 699 00:37:35,700 --> 00:37:33,490 know Pearl Jam Queens of the Stone Age 700 00:37:40,740 --> 00:37:35,710 the Foo Fighters dude in there you know 701 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:40,750 late 40s to the early 50s and that's an 702 00:37:44,130 --> 00:37:42,370 interesting thing to observe but there's 703 00:37:46,650 --> 00:37:44,140 all these bands big rock bands that are 704 00:37:50,670 --> 00:37:46,660 still doing it and you know yeah look at 705 00:37:52,650 --> 00:37:50,680 Metallica man and if we think if we 706 00:37:57,180 --> 00:37:52,660 think Metallica is right behind the 707 00:37:58,980 --> 00:37:57,190 stones as far as it goes you know and 708 00:38:00,960 --> 00:37:58,990 they're still doing it and they sound 709 00:38:04,830 --> 00:38:00,970 great and that you know these sound as 710 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:04,840 good as they've ever sounded but we're 711 00:38:12,450 --> 00:38:07,210 talking about guys that are gonna be an 712 00:38:15,720 --> 00:38:12,460 assisted-living here very soon wait you 713 00:38:20,670 --> 00:38:15,730 know you know today is David Lee Roth's 714 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:20,680 birthday he's he's what he's 66 today 66 715 00:38:27,780 --> 00:38:24,610 now when we were kids and lot when Roth 716 00:38:30,270 --> 00:38:27,790 was a kid 66 was the anti-establishment 717 00:38:34,950 --> 00:38:30,280 and that was the man that's who you were 718 00:38:38,370 --> 00:38:34,960 trying to bring down where are we today 719 00:38:41,190 --> 00:38:38,380 when David Lee Roth is 66 years old oh 720 00:38:44,220 --> 00:38:41,200 man yeah yeah I'll tell you a funny 721 00:38:46,350 --> 00:38:44,230 story and then we're gonna move on Van 722 00:38:47,310 --> 00:38:46,360 Halen's one of my favorite bands right 723 00:38:49,230 --> 00:38:47,320 just 724 00:38:53,310 --> 00:38:49,240 you know it's my top one or two bands of 725 00:38:57,300 --> 00:38:53,320 all time and I'm driving this is about 726 00:38:59,810 --> 00:38:57,310 15 years ago and I'm in the car and I've 727 00:39:03,420 --> 00:38:59,820 got my daughter's or in the backseat and 728 00:39:07,500 --> 00:39:03,430 dance the night away comes on the radio 729 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:07,510 and I crank it up just crank it and I'm 730 00:39:11,190 --> 00:39:09,610 just playing air drums and air guitar 731 00:39:14,750 --> 00:39:11,200 and I'm driving the car and I'm just 732 00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:14,760 rocking out and and it's such a fresh 733 00:39:20,010 --> 00:39:17,650 sounding song to me it's timeless right 734 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:20,020 it's gonna sound great in 50 years just 735 00:39:25,290 --> 00:39:23,050 like it sounds great today and and I 736 00:39:28,170 --> 00:39:25,300 turn to my daughters like turn it down 737 00:39:35,210 --> 00:39:28,180 but I go isn't this great 738 00:39:43,410 --> 00:39:37,620 that was their response 739 00:39:45,050 --> 00:39:43,420 this is old people's music yeah my dad I 740 00:39:50,670 --> 00:39:45,060 used to get him when I was a kid he's a 741 00:39:52,050 --> 00:39:50,680 he's a big Neil Diamond's guy and I've 742 00:39:54,390 --> 00:39:52,060 always asked him to play Holi Holi 743 00:39:55,830 --> 00:39:54,400 because it would be one of the few times 744 00:39:57,750 --> 00:39:55,840 where he would just crank the stereo and 745 00:39:58,980 --> 00:39:57,760 rock out and as a kid it was kind of 746 00:40:01,800 --> 00:39:58,990 cool as when a few times to seen your 747 00:40:02,970 --> 00:40:01,810 dad actually just sort of not care and 748 00:40:04,860 --> 00:40:02,980 rock out and pound the steering wheel 749 00:40:06,180 --> 00:40:04,870 and be stoked so right I think it's good 750 00:40:09,570 --> 00:40:06,190 for I think it's good for kids to see 751 00:40:11,700 --> 00:40:09,580 that and it's it's so funny that you 752 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:11,710 know and I like Neil you know he's cool 753 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:14,650 guy and everything but our parents went 754 00:40:19,070 --> 00:40:16,210 through the same things that we're going 755 00:40:22,830 --> 00:40:19,080 through today it's the cycle of life 756 00:40:25,530 --> 00:40:22,840 right where the music that our parents 757 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:25,540 listened to and if you think about it in 758 00:40:31,470 --> 00:40:28,570 and what they were listening to in 1968 759 00:40:39,180 --> 00:40:31,480 was either you know the stones are like 760 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:39,190 the Dave Clark Five ancient is that but 761 00:40:46,590 --> 00:40:43,450 yet you know 1965 and and how things 762 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:46,600 change between 1965 and 1970 with 763 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:48,610 Woodstock and Jimi Hendrix and Led 764 00:40:56,190 --> 00:40:51,970 Zeppelin and Black Sabbath and you know 765 00:40:59,490 --> 00:40:56,200 the things a deep purple things changed 766 00:41:00,840 --> 00:40:59,500 very very quickly so now you've got a 767 00:41:04,260 --> 00:41:00,850 generation 768 00:41:08,100 --> 00:41:04,270 you know by 1975 with with Ted Nugent 769 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:08,110 and and Zeppelin and UFO and whatever 770 00:41:14,700 --> 00:41:11,290 you know these these Judas Priest right 771 00:41:16,710 --> 00:41:14,710 and and how quickly that generation 772 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:16,720 changed it flipped it went from Dave 773 00:41:26,420 --> 00:41:20,410 Clark Five and Herman's Hermits to deep 774 00:41:28,650 --> 00:41:26,430 purple highway star Wow right right and 775 00:41:33,050 --> 00:41:28,660 even like the Beatles going from you 776 00:41:40,650 --> 00:41:37,140 no doubt about it no doubt and and we've 777 00:41:43,740 --> 00:41:40,660 seen the same generational changes with 778 00:41:45,810 --> 00:41:43,750 through through us right now where we 779 00:41:47,370 --> 00:41:45,820 went through you and I were talking 780 00:41:53,340 --> 00:41:47,380 about this where we went through big 781 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:53,350 hair and the MTV age of 85 86 87 to 782 00:41:58,590 --> 00:41:56,010 rapidly flipping things over with 783 00:42:01,580 --> 00:41:58,600 Soundgarden and Pearl Jam and Nirvana 784 00:42:04,620 --> 00:42:01,590 and the whole grunge scene which 785 00:42:09,240 --> 00:42:04,630 dominated the world I mean it just took 786 00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:09,250 over flannel shirts and in heroin it 787 00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:13,450 just you know and that whole thing that 788 00:42:19,740 --> 00:42:16,570 grunge thing it snuck up on us and we 789 00:42:23,070 --> 00:42:19,750 didn't expect that either and it's it's 790 00:42:24,780 --> 00:42:23,080 crazy it's crazy how we seen it I would 791 00:42:25,890 --> 00:42:24,790 say the same thing to are you talking 792 00:42:29,220 --> 00:42:25,900 about though is that like I've 793 00:42:31,710 --> 00:42:29,230 definitely become the old man who thinks 794 00:42:32,850 --> 00:42:31,720 that music is not nearly as good as it 795 00:42:34,380 --> 00:42:32,860 was when you like you're saying they're 796 00:42:35,970 --> 00:42:34,390 like I'm the you know the old man is a 797 00:42:39,660 --> 00:42:35,980 gift Muse you call that music you know 798 00:42:40,890 --> 00:42:39,670 and I think I think hip-hop I'm not that 799 00:42:43,110 --> 00:42:40,900 big a hip-hop head but I pay a little 800 00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:43,120 bit of touch to it um I think hip hop is 801 00:42:48,030 --> 00:42:45,850 having its sort of hair metal kind of 802 00:42:49,860 --> 00:42:48,040 phase I think there's there's there's 803 00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:49,870 all the mumble rap all that stuff I feel 804 00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:54,930 like that theme is due for some sort of 805 00:42:59,250 --> 00:42:57,970 sort of pendulum swing in the same way 806 00:43:00,540 --> 00:42:59,260 that you have like the hair bands and 807 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:00,550 grunge came in and kind of knocked it 808 00:43:04,980 --> 00:43:03,010 off I feel like there's to me when I 809 00:43:06,720 --> 00:43:04,990 look at modern-day hip-hop I got all 810 00:43:08,820 --> 00:43:06,730 that's this is the you know the late 80s 811 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:08,830 with in LA and it's all the Sunset Strip 812 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:10,330 and it's all those bands and stuff like 813 00:43:14,609 --> 00:43:12,810 that and like you said that nobody saw 814 00:43:15,870 --> 00:43:14,619 anticipated your Nirvana 815 00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:15,880 garage coming and just sort of 816 00:43:22,140 --> 00:43:20,170 destroying that whole team so I would 817 00:43:23,549 --> 00:43:22,150 like I'm kind of curious to see what's 818 00:43:26,999 --> 00:43:23,559 gonna happen in hip-hop because it seems 819 00:43:29,910 --> 00:43:27,009 like it's it's a similar cycle you know 820 00:43:34,759 --> 00:43:29,920 what I mean yeah and I would have never 821 00:43:38,700 --> 00:43:34,769 I don't think anybody from 1975 to 1985 822 00:43:42,569 --> 00:43:38,710 would have ever seen rock and roll going 823 00:43:48,049 --> 00:43:42,579 away right these huge stadiums Monsters 824 00:43:51,450 --> 00:43:48,059 of Rock Turin and Cal Jam just crazy 825 00:43:54,839 --> 00:43:51,460 festivals in Europe and the hugeness of 826 00:43:59,059 --> 00:43:54,849 it all right to Huntington and and and 827 00:44:02,609 --> 00:43:59,069 how powerful a rock and roll was and 828 00:44:06,150 --> 00:44:02,619 it's it's not it's not around today 829 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:06,160 you know we support it with with with 830 00:44:11,970 --> 00:44:09,210 the geriatric crowd and and we we love 831 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:11,980 we love our rock and roll but it doesn't 832 00:44:16,890 --> 00:44:14,170 dominate the airwaves you know it does 833 00:44:19,229 --> 00:44:16,900 it's it's not anywhere and everything 834 00:44:21,479 --> 00:44:19,239 goes through its phases because grunge 835 00:44:26,309 --> 00:44:21,489 did the same thing you know I don't 836 00:44:28,589 --> 00:44:26,319 think Eddie Vetter or even Kurt Cobain 837 00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:28,599 with his you know short burst through it 838 00:44:35,759 --> 00:44:32,890 or Soundgarden Allison chains I don't 839 00:44:39,809 --> 00:44:35,769 think any of them anticipated playing 840 00:44:42,210 --> 00:44:39,819 you know arenas you know that that's not 841 00:44:44,370 --> 00:44:42,220 you know Stadium tours I don't think 842 00:44:47,279 --> 00:44:44,380 that they expected that but but it 843 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:47,289 happened and it went away what do you 844 00:44:53,220 --> 00:44:50,410 think the next I think I was summer I 845 00:44:54,749 --> 00:44:53,230 just saw I saw Pearl Jam play at Safeco 846 00:44:56,609 --> 00:44:54,759 and I saw the Foo Fighters played Safeco 847 00:44:59,549 --> 00:44:56,619 and if you look at pictures of those 848 00:45:02,519 --> 00:44:59,559 shots of those those stadiums it's it's 849 00:45:06,029 --> 00:45:02,529 insane how many people it is and it's a 850 00:45:07,470 --> 00:45:06,039 big arena rock show and it's so it's not 851 00:45:09,329 --> 00:45:07,480 oh you're right it's not on the air rate 852 00:45:12,329 --> 00:45:09,339 on that on the airwaves but like that's 853 00:45:14,279 --> 00:45:12,339 festival but there's still cutting you 854 00:45:15,599 --> 00:45:14,289 know butts in the seats because I said 855 00:45:17,609 --> 00:45:15,609 if you go look at a photo of curls and 856 00:45:20,279 --> 00:45:17,619 playing at Safeco it's it's it's 857 00:45:23,279 --> 00:45:20,289 mind-blowing to me to the band you know 858 00:45:24,930 --> 00:45:23,289 25 plus years into their career is is 859 00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:24,940 still having these massive shows like 860 00:45:29,249 --> 00:45:26,410 that is 861 00:45:32,969 --> 00:45:29,259 you know and you're right about that Foo 862 00:45:34,410 --> 00:45:32,979 Fighters is definitely keeping the 863 00:45:36,989 --> 00:45:34,420 flag-waving 864 00:45:38,969 --> 00:45:36,999 you know those concerts they do over 865 00:45:43,410 --> 00:45:38,979 there at Wembley I mean it's just you 866 00:45:46,170 --> 00:45:43,420 watch that years oh man yeah so yes but 867 00:45:50,339 --> 00:45:46,180 it's not the it's not the dominant force 868 00:45:52,199 --> 00:45:50,349 on this planet no it's it's I would have 869 00:45:54,929 --> 00:45:52,209 never thought that it would go away but 870 00:45:57,689 --> 00:45:54,939 we've had these let's stay on this for a 871 00:46:00,420 --> 00:45:57,699 second I did want to talk about you but 872 00:46:04,589 --> 00:46:00,430 I like talking music - we have would 873 00:46:07,769 --> 00:46:04,599 rather talk about anything there you go 874 00:46:11,699 --> 00:46:07,779 is is is we've had you know we had 875 00:46:14,279 --> 00:46:11,709 London a couple of times come through 876 00:46:16,769 --> 00:46:14,289 we've had New York and in Los Angeles 877 00:46:19,949 --> 00:46:16,779 and San Francisco and Chicago and 878 00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:19,959 Detroit and Seattle where's the next 879 00:46:26,429 --> 00:46:23,650 verse the next big you know wave where's 880 00:46:28,949 --> 00:46:26,439 it gonna come from what do you think I I 881 00:46:31,219 --> 00:46:28,959 don't know like we talked about her 882 00:46:35,549 --> 00:46:31,229 before I talked to my my brother who's 883 00:46:37,349 --> 00:46:35,559 26 and he's a easy musician and I'm out 884 00:46:39,179 --> 00:46:37,359 of touch with the sort of modern music 885 00:46:41,759 --> 00:46:39,189 scene I don't pay as much attention as I 886 00:46:46,410 --> 00:46:41,769 used to when I was a kid so if there is 887 00:46:48,269 --> 00:46:46,420 some some new scene of music growing out 888 00:46:50,130 --> 00:46:48,279 there in the underground some places I'm 889 00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:50,140 i don't have my finger on the pulse of 890 00:46:54,630 --> 00:46:53,410 this but my brother had brought up sort 891 00:46:56,219 --> 00:46:54,640 of an interesting point which was he 892 00:46:58,620 --> 00:46:56,229 says I keep kind of waiting for that to 893 00:47:00,239 --> 00:46:58,630 happen I I love those moments where like 894 00:47:03,299 --> 00:47:00,249 the Seattle thing happens like Sara in 895 00:47:06,599 --> 00:47:03,309 New York or Detroit or you know in the 896 00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:06,609 punk rock thing in England I keep 897 00:47:09,989 --> 00:47:08,650 waiting for what's been what's the next 898 00:47:11,099 --> 00:47:09,999 thing here to get to change the whole 899 00:47:12,809 --> 00:47:11,109 book so that's kind of like you know 900 00:47:14,910 --> 00:47:12,819 like you said like the flannel that you 901 00:47:16,919 --> 00:47:14,920 know did all of a sudden this whole 902 00:47:18,660 --> 00:47:16,929 musical genre is going to just sweep 903 00:47:19,799 --> 00:47:18,670 across the globe and change in ways that 904 00:47:22,979 --> 00:47:19,809 people don't have to sit back keep 905 00:47:24,150 --> 00:47:22,989 eagerly awaiting for that next that next 906 00:47:28,739 --> 00:47:24,160 big movement because those are such 907 00:47:29,969 --> 00:47:28,749 interesting moments in time and and my 908 00:47:31,979 --> 00:47:29,979 brother had brought this point that he 909 00:47:33,660 --> 00:47:31,989 thinks because of the internet because 910 00:47:35,729 --> 00:47:33,670 everybody's so interconnected and 911 00:47:36,959 --> 00:47:35,739 there's so much access to what's 912 00:47:37,790 --> 00:47:36,969 happening and the other side on the 913 00:47:39,290 --> 00:47:37,800 planet 914 00:47:41,450 --> 00:47:39,300 that you don't have as many little 915 00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:41,460 seemed innocent little places that are 916 00:47:45,590 --> 00:47:43,410 sort of isolated and you're like Seattle 917 00:47:47,570 --> 00:47:45,600 being up you know up in the far end of 918 00:47:48,770 --> 00:47:47,580 the Pacific Northwest and bands wouldn't 919 00:47:50,060 --> 00:47:48,780 come into her here so they just did 920 00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:50,070 their own thing and entertained them 921 00:47:53,570 --> 00:47:51,570 settled I feel like because of the 922 00:47:55,130 --> 00:47:53,580 interconnection of the internet 923 00:47:59,840 --> 00:47:55,140 everybody's aware when everything else 924 00:48:02,060 --> 00:47:59,850 is going on so I'm curious to know if if 925 00:48:04,430 --> 00:48:02,070 if you can have those those interesting 926 00:48:06,140 --> 00:48:04,440 little artistic explosions and these in 927 00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:06,150 this place I would imagine you still can 928 00:48:10,100 --> 00:48:08,490 you know and I'm guessing that they're 929 00:48:12,260 --> 00:48:10,110 happening I'm just a whole band it's not 930 00:48:13,670 --> 00:48:12,270 paying attention to you know where 931 00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:13,680 there's where those kids aren't they're 932 00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:16,410 actually you know pushing and and and 933 00:48:20,060 --> 00:48:17,970 creating a whole new style and a whole 934 00:48:21,830 --> 00:48:20,070 new scene or something but I've been 935 00:48:23,990 --> 00:48:21,840 waiting for a long time because what was 936 00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:24,000 the to see how things been ivy so we're 937 00:48:27,590 --> 00:48:25,410 getting into like steam of twenty years 938 00:48:29,570 --> 00:48:27,600 and because every cycle means you get 939 00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:29,580 punk rock in the city uh 940 00:48:34,070 --> 00:48:32,370 I feel like there dude I said there's 941 00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:34,080 enough time has transpired and like I 942 00:48:37,220 --> 00:48:35,610 said that even like just noticing the 943 00:48:39,410 --> 00:48:37,230 whole hip-hop and the mumble rap thing 944 00:48:40,820 --> 00:48:39,420 and that's kind of you know superficial 945 00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:40,830 there's not much substance to it I feel 946 00:48:43,790 --> 00:48:42,570 it some point the pendulum is gonna 947 00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:43,800 swing the other way and you're just 948 00:48:52,180 --> 00:48:48,290 gonna get some really rich dynamic 949 00:48:55,370 --> 00:48:52,190 creative artistic intro some some new 950 00:48:57,950 --> 00:48:55,380 variation of what music doesn't mean but 951 00:49:00,440 --> 00:48:57,960 there's only you know what's on 12 bits 952 00:49:03,650 --> 00:49:00,450 right you only do so much you got to 953 00:49:06,170 --> 00:49:03,660 reinvent the wheel but alright if you're 954 00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:06,180 so good at picking the tools that we 955 00:49:12,500 --> 00:49:12,210 have yeah we just are lost to your cell 956 00:49:17,780 --> 00:49:12,510 phone 957 00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:17,790 we lost the bars okay yeah we got you 958 00:49:24,650 --> 00:49:19,770 back yeah we looked at your bars there 959 00:49:26,180 --> 00:49:24,660 for a second the your approach we're 960 00:49:30,410 --> 00:49:26,190 gonna head towards the top of the hour 961 00:49:33,710 --> 00:49:30,420 here your your approach in your talent I 962 00:49:35,660 --> 00:49:33,720 can't say and speak highly enough about 963 00:49:38,690 --> 00:49:35,670 it I mean it's it's it's very impressive 964 00:49:40,820 --> 00:49:38,700 but I know you've heard so much about 965 00:49:44,230 --> 00:49:40,830 that alright I don't need to address 966 00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:44,240 that but what what I want to know is 967 00:49:50,690 --> 00:49:48,210 when did you start to find out that you 968 00:49:51,650 --> 00:49:50,700 could draw how old were you were you 969 00:49:53,240 --> 00:49:51,660 like two 970 00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:53,250 did you bounce out of the womb with a 971 00:49:59,660 --> 00:49:57,690 you know a pencil in your hand I might I 972 00:50:02,539 --> 00:49:59,670 was drawing when I was a kid I can't 973 00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:02,549 remember exactly when I started to draw 974 00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:05,490 but I remember it being something I very 975 00:50:12,170 --> 00:50:07,650 much enjoyed and like doing at a very 976 00:50:14,900 --> 00:50:12,180 early age and so I don't have a real 977 00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:14,910 strong recollection of the year that at 978 00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:16,650 the moment but I can always remember as 979 00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:20,010 a kid liking to draw and I think some of 980 00:50:23,569 --> 00:50:21,930 the first things I can remember draw and 981 00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:23,579 was there was a I don't know if it still 982 00:50:28,940 --> 00:50:25,650 exists a surf company called Town & 983 00:50:30,319 --> 00:50:28,950 Country yes and they had this these 984 00:50:32,240 --> 00:50:30,329 characters and one of them was like I 985 00:50:33,740 --> 00:50:32,250 think it's thriller gorilla and I had a 986 00:50:35,210 --> 00:50:33,750 t-shirt I was just as gorilla would like 987 00:50:36,559 --> 00:50:35,220 this ad is looking gorilla with 988 00:50:38,870 --> 00:50:36,569 sunglasses in a surfboard and I would 989 00:50:40,130 --> 00:50:38,880 just copy those and I would draw and I 990 00:50:42,980 --> 00:50:40,140 remember that was one of the first 991 00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:42,990 things that come into drawing but I 992 00:50:48,289 --> 00:50:46,410 think my mom was a was a good parent and 993 00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:48,299 she she realized that she saw her kid 994 00:50:51,140 --> 00:50:49,890 was interested in something and then the 995 00:50:52,250 --> 00:50:51,150 thing that you know parents have to do 996 00:50:54,710 --> 00:50:52,260 with their kids and with summer time 997 00:50:56,089 --> 00:50:54,720 mist and just any time it's figure out 998 00:50:58,549 --> 00:50:56,099 what you're gonna do with them and so 999 00:51:00,380 --> 00:50:58,559 she saw that I had an interest in 1000 00:51:03,769 --> 00:51:00,390 drawing and will put me into art classes 1001 00:51:05,059 --> 00:51:03,779 and and so I think that just kind of it 1002 00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:05,069 just kind of went from there and then 1003 00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:08,970 and then in high school I was in school 1004 00:51:12,410 --> 00:51:10,650 I was always the kid drawing in the 1005 00:51:13,430 --> 00:51:12,420 margins of his textbooks and my teachers 1006 00:51:14,660 --> 00:51:13,440 would come over and be like that's a 1007 00:51:17,539 --> 00:51:14,670 good drawing but you're not paying 1008 00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:17,549 attention you know and so it was 1009 00:51:22,309 --> 00:51:19,770 something that was always I was always 1010 00:51:23,660 --> 00:51:22,319 doing the same thing I was think when I 1011 00:51:24,980 --> 00:51:23,670 looked back under the adults were always 1012 00:51:27,019 --> 00:51:24,990 come up to you when you're drawing me a 1013 00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:27,029 little kid and they would always say the 1014 00:51:31,039 --> 00:51:28,410 same thing they always say oh you could 1015 00:51:32,660 --> 00:51:31,049 be an architect right and they were like 1016 00:51:34,279 --> 00:51:32,670 putting a profession in a career too 1017 00:51:36,799 --> 00:51:34,289 when you're a little kid you'd open like 1018 00:51:38,089 --> 00:51:36,809 okay I I'm just I just like to draw I 1019 00:51:39,380 --> 00:51:38,099 didn't have that you don't have that 1020 00:51:41,839 --> 00:51:39,390 idea that this is going to be something 1021 00:51:43,609 --> 00:51:41,849 that you could make into a career that 1022 00:51:45,910 --> 00:51:43,619 this is a talent or a skill adults would 1023 00:51:47,779 --> 00:51:45,920 always kind of praise me for it and and 1024 00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:47,789 but then they'd always attached an 1025 00:51:50,269 --> 00:51:49,170 architect thing so I think from an early 1026 00:51:51,620 --> 00:51:50,279 age I just figured well I guess I have 1027 00:51:53,029 --> 00:51:51,630 to become an architect because that's 1028 00:51:55,789 --> 00:51:53,039 what everybody keeps saying you know 1029 00:51:57,890 --> 00:51:55,799 what what if she used to do this and 1030 00:52:02,269 --> 00:51:57,900 where did what did you do after high 1031 00:52:05,060 --> 00:52:02,279 school I went to the University of 1032 00:52:07,910 --> 00:52:05,070 Denver and I got a 1033 00:52:10,250 --> 00:52:07,920 essay and graphic design originally my 1034 00:52:12,050 --> 00:52:10,260 plan was that I was going to be Wayne 1035 00:52:14,990 --> 00:52:12,060 Gretzky and I was absolutely positive 1036 00:52:16,430 --> 00:52:15,000 that that was going to happen and I was 1037 00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:16,440 going to be this tall lanky kid from 1038 00:52:19,670 --> 00:52:18,480 Southern California that was going to be 1039 00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:19,680 the Cinderella story 1040 00:52:23,720 --> 00:52:22,290 who's going to you know walk on to the 1041 00:52:26,330 --> 00:52:23,730 University of Denver Division one hockey 1042 00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:26,340 team and and and become this famous 1043 00:52:29,810 --> 00:52:29,370 hockey player and that delusion was cut 1044 00:52:32,300 --> 00:52:29,820 short 1045 00:52:33,770 --> 00:52:32,310 once I got to college and realized like 1046 00:52:35,540 --> 00:52:33,780 oh I can't compete with all these kids 1047 00:52:38,690 --> 00:52:35,550 kids I would I ended up playing hockey 1048 00:52:40,340 --> 00:52:38,700 on the club team and was one of the 1049 00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:40,350 worst players on that team so pretty I 1050 00:52:45,110 --> 00:52:41,850 think pretty crappy honors like I better 1051 00:52:47,300 --> 00:52:45,120 follow this this art thing instead so it 1052 00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:47,310 was good to have to always have art 1053 00:52:52,580 --> 00:52:50,610 there to back to fall back on because I 1054 00:52:56,500 --> 00:52:52,590 was not going to become Wayne Gretzky 1055 00:53:00,890 --> 00:52:56,510 how much of what you do is electronic 1056 00:53:06,170 --> 00:53:00,900 art computer-assisted and how much of it 1057 00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:06,180 is real it all starts with a pencil and 1058 00:53:09,830 --> 00:53:08,370 paper so I just every every every poster 1059 00:53:11,720 --> 00:53:09,840 starts off with me just sitting down my 1060 00:53:14,390 --> 00:53:11,730 sketchbook and trying to draw some 1061 00:53:16,070 --> 00:53:14,400 imagery out of my head and then you know 1062 00:53:17,780 --> 00:53:16,080 maybe I scan that into the computer and 1063 00:53:21,590 --> 00:53:17,790 then I'll print it back out and ink it 1064 00:53:23,750 --> 00:53:21,600 and and and so it all starts with you 1065 00:53:25,850 --> 00:53:23,760 know regular old pencil and paper and 1066 00:53:27,350 --> 00:53:25,860 then once I get that the the drawing and 1067 00:53:29,270 --> 00:53:27,360 inking to where I want it to be then I 1068 00:53:31,550 --> 00:53:29,280 put it into Photoshop and I can start 1069 00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:31,560 coloring it and manipulating it and you 1070 00:53:35,780 --> 00:53:34,170 know I'm chopping it up and if there's 1071 00:53:37,700 --> 00:53:35,790 places in the drawing but I need to move 1072 00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:37,710 or rearrange and something like that so 1073 00:53:42,950 --> 00:53:40,410 it's it's probably you have 50/50 and 1074 00:53:44,540 --> 00:53:42,960 because there's the original pencil 1075 00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:44,550 drawings and the inking that I do and 1076 00:53:51,290 --> 00:53:46,410 then you just bring that into Photoshop 1077 00:53:54,470 --> 00:53:51,300 and and what it becomes right and how 1078 00:53:59,050 --> 00:53:54,480 did you we've got to five minutes before 1079 00:54:03,950 --> 00:53:59,060 the break how did you start to employ 1080 00:54:06,830 --> 00:54:03,960 both mediums in that or did you always 1081 00:54:09,740 --> 00:54:06,840 have computers around you and you 1082 00:54:12,620 --> 00:54:09,750 decided that you were going to use it to 1083 00:54:14,959 --> 00:54:12,630 assist what you are doing 1084 00:54:17,089 --> 00:54:14,969 originally I would you know was until I 1085 00:54:19,519 --> 00:54:17,099 got to college like I first got kind of 1086 00:54:22,249 --> 00:54:19,529 introduced into you being able to use 1087 00:54:24,339 --> 00:54:22,259 computers for design and I fell in love 1088 00:54:26,359 --> 00:54:24,349 with that and almost sort of stopped 1089 00:54:28,699 --> 00:54:26,369 illustrating and just was trying to do 1090 00:54:31,339 --> 00:54:28,709 all kinds of computer manipulation and 1091 00:54:34,099 --> 00:54:31,349 collage and things like that right and 1092 00:54:36,170 --> 00:54:34,109 that kind of even took me away even once 1093 00:54:37,429 --> 00:54:36,180 I once I got the job working for Pearl 1094 00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:37,439 Jam there's a point where I had to kind 1095 00:54:45,650 --> 00:54:41,249 of go back to the more hands-on artwork 1096 00:54:47,299 --> 00:54:45,660 of you know pencil and paper and the the 1097 00:54:50,349 --> 00:54:47,309 introduction of the computer as a new 1098 00:54:52,309 --> 00:54:50,359 tool was certainly exciting and and I 1099 00:54:53,870 --> 00:54:52,319 gravitated towards it but then you just 1100 00:54:55,099 --> 00:54:53,880 realize like it's just another tool in 1101 00:54:57,049 --> 00:54:55,109 the toolbox and it shouldn't be your 1102 00:54:59,029 --> 00:54:57,059 main focus but that if you can 1103 00:55:01,160 --> 00:54:59,039 incorporate painting and illustration 1104 00:55:02,509 --> 00:55:01,170 and all these other things and but then 1105 00:55:04,459 --> 00:55:02,519 you just have that many more Skills to 1106 00:55:07,429 --> 00:55:04,469 you know bring into the computer and 1107 00:55:09,229 --> 00:55:07,439 manipulate that stuff so at first I was 1108 00:55:11,359 --> 00:55:09,239 a bit smitten with a computer and then 1109 00:55:14,150 --> 00:55:11,369 when I'm glad that I ended up going back 1110 00:55:17,179 --> 00:55:14,160 more it's just regular illustration now 1111 00:55:19,219 --> 00:55:17,189 I realize you're a humble guy and you 1112 00:55:24,620 --> 00:55:19,229 don't want to be part of the narrative 1113 00:55:26,539 --> 00:55:24,630 but I'm sure that you understand how how 1114 00:55:31,039 --> 00:55:26,549 great of an artist you are do you have a 1115 00:55:32,779 --> 00:55:31,049 concept of that I feel like I'm good at 1116 00:55:34,699 --> 00:55:32,789 what I do and I'm a good graphic 1117 00:55:38,599 --> 00:55:34,709 designer and I'm a good I'm a good 1118 00:55:39,979 --> 00:55:38,609 poster artist so and I'm able to make a 1119 00:55:41,959 --> 00:55:39,989 living doing it's it's not it's not 1120 00:55:44,599 --> 00:55:41,969 wasted on me obviously I feel like I'm 1121 00:55:45,919 --> 00:55:44,609 you know I feel like I'm good at the 1122 00:55:47,829 --> 00:55:45,929 thing that I'm asked to do and that I 1123 00:55:50,419 --> 00:55:47,839 like to do so 1124 00:55:53,539 --> 00:55:50,429 it's a fair enough answer but then let 1125 00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:53,549 me ask you this question I'm gonna let 1126 00:55:59,589 --> 00:55:55,890 you I'm you're gonna escape that okay 1127 00:56:02,449 --> 00:55:59,599 I'm gonna let you escape that but do you 1128 00:56:04,549 --> 00:56:02,459 once in a while do you create something 1129 00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:04,559 where you step back and go you know 1130 00:56:10,939 --> 00:56:08,729 that's uh that's pretty friggin good I I 1131 00:56:12,559 --> 00:56:10,949 think that happens every every design 1132 00:56:15,049 --> 00:56:12,569 and I don't feel like if you're any sort 1133 00:56:16,519 --> 00:56:15,059 of artist I feel like if the thing that 1134 00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:16,529 you're not working on currently you 1135 00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:17,729 don't feel like it's the best thing that 1136 00:56:22,099 --> 00:56:20,130 you've ever done then you're not doing a 1137 00:56:23,419 --> 00:56:22,109 good enough job I feel like every time 1138 00:56:24,859 --> 00:56:23,429 I'm but if you ask me what my favorite 1139 00:56:25,730 --> 00:56:24,869 poster it's probably the one I'm working 1140 00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:25,740 right now 1141 00:56:30,950 --> 00:56:27,210 and I always think I think this is the 1142 00:56:32,420 --> 00:56:30,960 best thing I've ever done but that the 1143 00:56:33,590 --> 00:56:32,430 wind gets taken in our sails real quick 1144 00:56:35,210 --> 00:56:33,600 and then the next day you'll see some 1145 00:56:36,740 --> 00:56:35,220 other artist who's done some new they've 1146 00:56:38,570 --> 00:56:36,750 really something new that just makes you 1147 00:56:40,190 --> 00:56:38,580 want to chop your hands off and and give 1148 00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:40,200 up and never never pick up a pencil 1149 00:56:44,750 --> 00:56:42,810 again so yeah it's much you can bring 1150 00:56:46,010 --> 00:56:44,760 yourself up to this height there's 1151 00:56:47,510 --> 00:56:46,020 always these other people out there 1152 00:56:53,210 --> 00:56:47,520 that's just you know taking these out 1153 00:56:55,609 --> 00:56:53,220 and remind you like oh yeah it reminds 1154 00:56:57,410 --> 00:56:55,619 me of you know Here I am a young guitar 1155 00:57:00,320 --> 00:56:57,420 player in LA and I think I'm good right 1156 00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:00,330 and then I heard inve for the first time 1157 00:57:05,359 --> 00:57:02,970 and I was like well this is a waste of 1158 00:57:08,030 --> 00:57:05,369 time well it's like that famous story 1159 00:57:09,620 --> 00:57:08,040 about an aircraft and hearing Hendrix 1160 00:57:11,420 --> 00:57:09,630 for the first time right if you're if 1161 00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:11,430 you're Eric Clapton in your guitar god 1162 00:57:14,900 --> 00:57:13,650 you know and and that's people referring 1163 00:57:17,270 --> 00:57:14,910 to you at that time in your Pete's house 1164 00:57:18,620 --> 00:57:17,280 and you go here you see me and it would 1165 00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:18,630 you just acquire we've been doing this 1166 00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:22,410 it's a waste it's a waste of a life it's 1167 00:57:26,060 --> 00:57:24,570 a waste of a life I need to go wash cars 1168 00:57:29,630 --> 00:57:26,070 I need to get really good at something 1169 00:57:31,430 --> 00:57:29,640 else really quick I think that I think I 1170 00:57:34,250 --> 00:57:31,440 think the best thing about those artists 1171 00:57:35,660 --> 00:57:34,260 are the ones that not only inspire you 1172 00:57:38,810 --> 00:57:35,670 but at the same time they just destroy 1173 00:57:40,190 --> 00:57:38,820 you but they're so good it's you want to 1174 00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:40,200 be better it makes you want to be better 1175 00:57:43,820 --> 00:57:41,730 despite the fact you really never going 1176 00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:43,830 to be up to that level it's set in it's 1177 00:57:49,310 --> 00:57:46,410 that quality they have that their work 1178 00:57:50,870 --> 00:57:49,320 is so destructive and ruins you but it's 1179 00:57:52,940 --> 00:57:50,880 so inspiring it's so good that you like 1180 00:57:54,980 --> 00:57:52,950 I want I want to get better and I want 1181 00:57:55,910 --> 00:57:54,990 to I want to evolve you know now what do 1182 00:58:02,840 --> 00:57:55,920 you do 1183 00:58:05,270 --> 00:58:02,850 create for yourself is everything just 1184 00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:05,280 completely personal or are you worried 1185 00:58:11,359 --> 00:58:07,170 about what other people think when they 1186 00:58:14,450 --> 00:58:11,369 see your artwork I when I was working 1187 00:58:16,820 --> 00:58:14,460 for Pearl Jam and doing posters at the 1188 00:58:18,109 --> 00:58:16,830 same time and I had a paycheck from from 1189 00:58:19,670 --> 00:58:18,119 from Pearl Jam and I didn't have to 1190 00:58:21,290 --> 00:58:19,680 worry about post ourselves then I true I 1191 00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:21,300 created for myself and I didn't care 1192 00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:23,850 once I became freelance and I was 1193 00:58:29,030 --> 00:58:26,930 dependent upon making money for myself 1194 00:58:30,620 --> 00:58:29,040 then it did change more I was like 1195 00:58:32,570 --> 00:58:30,630 people aren't going to buy this you know 1196 00:58:34,190 --> 00:58:32,580 this I mean I need to sell these to make 1197 00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:34,200 money and if I'm just making artwork 1198 00:58:37,190 --> 00:58:36,090 that's appealing to me somebody else 1199 00:58:39,290 --> 00:58:37,200 might not want to hang this in their 1200 00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:39,300 home and so it does kind 1201 00:58:45,050 --> 00:58:41,970 all that that did alter my creative 1202 00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:45,060 process because if I didn't say if I 1203 00:58:48,290 --> 00:58:46,650 created something when I had a paycheck 1204 00:58:51,890 --> 00:58:48,300 and it didn't sell I didn't care right 1205 00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:51,900 right so once I was on my own it then it 1206 00:58:56,090 --> 00:58:54,930 then it did become this okay I need to 1207 00:58:58,160 --> 00:58:56,100 make sure that this is something that 1208 00:58:59,930 --> 00:58:58,170 people are gonna walk is really thinking 1209 00:59:01,730 --> 00:58:59,940 it's justit's me you know getting my 1210 00:59:04,420 --> 00:59:01,740 creative jollies out go now that that's 1211 00:59:07,310 --> 00:59:04,430 that's funny that's provocative you know 1212 00:59:09,830 --> 00:59:07,320 are you past that point are you past 1213 00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:09,840 that point now though where everybody 1214 00:59:15,110 --> 00:59:12,210 knows who you are and where you are 1215 00:59:16,490 --> 00:59:15,120 coming from so you again you're back to 1216 00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:16,500 where you don't have to worry about what 1217 00:59:24,230 --> 00:59:19,890 others think you can just be yourself no 1218 00:59:25,700 --> 00:59:24,240 I think I still want people to like this 1219 00:59:27,860 --> 00:59:25,710 stuff and it's funny a lot of the people 1220 00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:27,870 that buy posters are men and they're 1221 00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:29,850 putting posters and man caves and stuff 1222 00:59:33,290 --> 00:59:31,290 like that and I'm always I have this 1223 00:59:34,790 --> 00:59:33,300 there's some times where someone say my 1224 00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:34,800 wife you don't like this one meaning if 1225 00:59:37,820 --> 00:59:36,570 they could like post it they could frame 1226 00:59:39,140 --> 00:59:37,830 it and hang it in some part of the house 1227 00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:39,150 that wasn't their man cave so it's 1228 00:59:42,650 --> 00:59:40,650 become this sort of weird goal in the 1229 00:59:47,170 --> 00:59:42,660 back of my head to make artwork that 1230 00:59:49,790 --> 00:59:47,180 appeals for the wives that's funny 1231 00:59:52,550 --> 00:59:49,800 that's good stuff that's that's radio 1232 00:59:54,290 --> 00:59:52,560 gold right there let's take a break take 1233 00:59:56,300 --> 00:59:54,300 a break of that guest tonight is Brad 1234 00:59:58,820 --> 00:59:56,310 Claussen on when we come back we're 1235 01:00:01,160 --> 00:59:58,830 we're gonna jump straight into it we're 1236 01:00:03,230 --> 01:00:01,170 gonna discuss Egypt because this is 1237 01:00:05,630 --> 01:00:03,240 ninety three of our Egypt week here on 1238 01:00:07,850 --> 01:00:05,640 fade to black I'm Neal Jimmy Church can 1239 01:00:11,930 --> 01:00:07,860 follow me on twitter 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calm that's nature's 1324 01:04:14,310 --> 01:04:11,640 youth calm that's nature's youth calm 1325 01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:14,320 hello this is Serena right Taylor from 1326 01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:16,450 conscious life Expo and you're listening 1327 01:04:21,210 --> 01:04:18,970 to fade to black with Jimmy Church who 1328 01:04:25,970 --> 01:04:21,220 holds the Lucky Pony record for the best 1329 01:04:28,410 --> 01:04:25,980 astrological chart since 1963 true story 1330 01:04:30,090 --> 01:04:28,420 this is Micah Hank's of the graylien 1331 01:04:32,430 --> 01:04:30,100 report and you're listening to Jimmy 1332 01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:32,440 church on fade to black across the globe 1333 01:04:36,650 --> 01:04:34,170 on the GameChanger radio network 1334 01:04:37,670 --> 01:04:36,660 and the one-and-only kgr a radio the 1335 01:04:41,690 --> 01:04:37,680 planet 1336 01:04:42,010 --> 01:04:41,700 [Music] 1337 01:04:57,849 --> 01:04:42,020 [Applause] 1338 01:04:59,779 --> 01:04:57,859 [Music] 1339 01:05:01,430 --> 01:04:59,789 welcome back paid the block company 1340 01:05:05,269 --> 01:05:01,440 hosting a church our guest tonight Brad 1341 01:05:09,620 --> 01:05:05,279 Claussen artist Brad Claussen it is 1342 01:05:12,620 --> 01:05:09,630 night three of our Egypt week here on 1343 01:05:16,279 --> 01:05:12,630 fade to black now it's been an 1344 01:05:20,599 --> 01:05:16,289 extraordinary week and I know that we 1345 01:05:24,940 --> 01:05:20,609 have managed to discuss Egypt on this 1346 01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:24,950 show for years and we're not any closer 1347 01:05:31,249 --> 01:05:27,450 we're not any closer to figuring this 1348 01:05:33,230 --> 01:05:31,259 out then then whatever five years ago 1349 01:05:36,140 --> 01:05:33,240 and there are so many unanswered 1350 01:05:38,839 --> 01:05:36,150 questions but today it's its artists 1351 01:05:41,599 --> 01:05:38,849 like Brad it's the work of John Anthony 1352 01:05:45,620 --> 01:05:41,609 West and Robert Schoch and and chance 1353 01:05:48,829 --> 01:05:45,630 Gardner and Graham Hancock and Robert 1354 01:05:49,700 --> 01:05:48,839 Bauval Christopher Dunn who we had on 1355 01:05:53,799 --> 01:05:49,710 the show last night 1356 01:05:56,809 --> 01:05:53,809 and and people like you Brad that are 1357 01:06:00,710 --> 01:05:56,819 discovering Egypt scenes they're seeing 1358 01:06:02,989 --> 01:06:00,720 things with another set of eyes and and 1359 01:06:06,289 --> 01:06:02,999 bringing this stuff forward to our 1360 01:06:10,099 --> 01:06:06,299 community and I commend you for this and 1361 01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:10,109 I'm looking at Twitter now you're not on 1362 01:06:15,410 --> 01:06:13,650 Twitter but our audience is posting your 1363 01:06:18,470 --> 01:06:15,420 artwork right there plus it's just 1364 01:06:20,630 --> 01:06:18,480 flooding Twitter right now and I and I'm 1365 01:06:25,130 --> 01:06:20,640 clicking through this and looking at it 1366 01:06:28,729 --> 01:06:25,140 and and I see so much of the symbolism 1367 01:06:32,180 --> 01:06:28,739 now I see it in your stuff and it's it's 1368 01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:32,190 it's extraordinary most people would 1369 01:06:35,599 --> 01:06:34,170 just look and go man that that's really 1370 01:06:41,479 --> 01:06:35,609 cool but they don't know that it's a 1371 01:06:44,210 --> 01:06:41,489 scare of it right right for you I just 1372 01:06:46,970 --> 01:06:44,220 have to know what was what was the 1373 01:06:49,729 --> 01:06:46,980 revelation I have seen magical Egypt and 1374 01:06:50,210 --> 01:06:49,739 and your presentation in there floored 1375 01:06:55,220 --> 01:06:50,220 me 1376 01:07:00,079 --> 01:06:55,230 chant I was like dude Brad Claussen man 1377 01:07:02,989 --> 01:07:00,089 that that's his section is is just 1378 01:07:05,150 --> 01:07:02,999 amazing so take us through that 1379 01:07:08,239 --> 01:07:05,160 what was it I know that there was 1380 01:07:10,150 --> 01:07:08,249 something where you just went holy crap 1381 01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:10,160 there is something going on here 1382 01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:15,410 what was that moment um well I mean it's 1383 01:07:21,190 --> 01:07:18,890 it's this long somewhat sort of build up 1384 01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:21,200 so trying the shortest synopsis of it 1385 01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:24,890 but I mean when you watch that the first 1386 01:07:28,599 --> 01:07:27,170 magically good series there's so much to 1387 01:07:30,339 --> 01:07:28,609 take away from that but I think one of 1388 01:07:33,039 --> 01:07:30,349 the things that I think a lot of people 1389 01:07:35,740 --> 01:07:33,049 took away from that first series was 1390 01:07:39,250 --> 01:07:35,750 this revelation of swallows that the 1391 01:07:42,970 --> 01:07:39,260 temple of Luxor is built laid out in the 1392 01:07:45,990 --> 01:07:42,980 form of a human body right and that 1393 01:07:48,099 --> 01:07:46,000 aspect of that I really sort of it 1394 01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:48,109 attached myself to in the train was very 1395 01:07:52,210 --> 01:07:50,690 it was very interesting to me and I was 1396 01:07:54,099 --> 01:07:52,220 sort of an interesting idea that that 1397 01:07:55,690 --> 01:07:54,109 you would build a temple of God to 1398 01:07:57,190 --> 01:07:55,700 resemble the human body and that you 1399 01:07:59,109 --> 01:07:57,200 know to talk about certain points of the 1400 01:08:00,549 --> 01:07:59,119 temple if you're where the lungs are the 1401 01:08:02,799 --> 01:08:00,559 hieroglyphs on the wall are talking but 1402 01:08:06,730 --> 01:08:02,809 yeah air and breasts and things like 1403 01:08:08,740 --> 01:08:06,740 that but they're really interesting 1404 01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:08,750 about that is when you look at SH 1405 01:08:15,519 --> 01:08:12,770 Wohlers schematics of a human the human 1406 01:08:17,169 --> 01:08:15,529 head over the the the secret sanctuary 1407 01:08:19,630 --> 01:08:17,179 of the temple which is the Holy of 1408 01:08:24,340 --> 01:08:19,640 Holies it's right where the third 1409 01:08:25,990 --> 01:08:24,350 ventricle of the brain is and it that 1410 01:08:28,390 --> 01:08:26,000 really just started getting me thinking 1411 01:08:30,970 --> 01:08:28,400 I was very interested in consciousness 1412 01:08:34,599 --> 01:08:30,980 and an altered it's a consciousness and 1413 01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:34,609 and how people are able to access 1414 01:08:40,090 --> 01:08:36,770 knowledge and things in these altered 1415 01:08:42,340 --> 01:08:40,100 states and with that background of 1416 01:08:43,329 --> 01:08:42,350 schwarz revelation of the the temple 1417 01:08:46,300 --> 01:08:43,339 being built in the form of the human 1418 01:08:48,220 --> 01:08:46,310 body that really sort of set the 1419 01:08:49,780 --> 01:08:48,230 precedent well then where else is there 1420 01:08:52,470 --> 01:08:49,790 where else is the human body being 1421 01:08:54,490 --> 01:08:52,480 represented in you know in artwork and 1422 01:08:57,760 --> 01:08:54,500 the one thing that most people are 1423 01:08:59,919 --> 01:08:57,770 familiar with is the 1990 paper by Frank 1424 01:09:01,630 --> 01:08:59,929 Matt Berger who pointed out that 1425 01:09:03,039 --> 01:09:01,640 Michelangelo painted right on the 1426 01:09:07,740 --> 01:09:03,049 Sistine Chapel and showed that how it 1427 01:09:10,380 --> 01:09:07,750 was it was a brain and then in 2007 a 1428 01:09:12,700 --> 01:09:10,390 surgeon named Alessandro Polizzi 1429 01:09:14,260 --> 01:09:12,710 released a paper which he corroborated 1430 01:09:15,939 --> 01:09:14,270 mesh Berger's theory about 1431 01:09:17,229 --> 01:09:15,949 Michelangelo's brain and presented a 1432 01:09:18,849 --> 01:09:17,239 couple other pieces of artwork from the 1433 01:09:21,390 --> 01:09:18,859 Renaissance oh he thought and him and 1434 01:09:23,490 --> 01:09:21,400 his team saw was showing brain anatomy 1435 01:09:25,260 --> 01:09:23,500 any one big highly respected medical 1436 01:09:28,790 --> 01:09:25,270 journals so this president had already 1437 01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:28,800 been said that the academic community is 1438 01:09:34,950 --> 01:09:31,330 acknowledging that there is brain 1439 01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:34,960 anatomy and massan's paintings and once 1440 01:09:40,250 --> 01:09:37,330 I started kind of going down that rabbit 1441 01:09:42,480 --> 01:09:40,260 hole and trying to and once you get into 1442 01:09:44,340 --> 01:09:42,490 esoterica and the mystery schools and 1443 01:09:45,630 --> 01:09:44,350 Ethel you start if you're looking in the 1444 01:09:47,190 --> 01:09:45,640 right place and ever but you start 1445 01:09:49,250 --> 01:09:47,200 getting kind of confronted with with 1446 01:09:53,630 --> 01:09:49,260 brain anatomy and they're the terms and 1447 01:09:56,460 --> 01:09:53,640 because of the internet because of these 1448 01:09:59,280 --> 01:09:56,470 the image search that you can do on the 1449 01:10:00,930 --> 01:09:59,290 internet when you type in looking up the 1450 01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:00,940 word for brain anatomy looks like you 1451 01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:03,130 just this wall of images I can you look 1452 01:10:07,890 --> 01:10:04,810 up anything on that you just hit with 1453 01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:07,900 just all kinds of images relating to to 1454 01:10:12,030 --> 01:10:09,370 every sort of aspect of whatever you 1455 01:10:13,770 --> 01:10:12,040 just typed in and once I started looking 1456 01:10:15,740 --> 01:10:13,780 at familiarizing myself with brain 1457 01:10:19,170 --> 01:10:15,750 anatomy I just started to recognize 1458 01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:19,180 patterns and compositions and poses I'd 1459 01:10:25,500 --> 01:10:21,730 seen in our history class and that's 1460 01:10:27,300 --> 01:10:25,510 when it just it kind of helps validate 1461 01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:27,310 that idea that swaller had that the 1462 01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:29,050 temple is it's built by the body and 1463 01:10:32,550 --> 01:10:30,970 with these other what mesh Berger and 1464 01:10:35,190 --> 01:10:32,560 Pelosi were showing that there is brain 1465 01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:35,200 anatomy and and the body being 1466 01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:36,730 represented in different forms of 1467 01:10:44,100 --> 01:10:41,650 artworks and it was just it was crazy to 1468 01:10:45,540 --> 01:10:44,110 look at some of these examples of brain 1469 01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:45,550 anatomy but I never looked at it I'm not 1470 01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:47,290 I'm not an anatomist I'm not into the 1471 01:10:52,860 --> 01:10:50,610 ology I never looked at stuff before and 1472 01:10:54,390 --> 01:10:52,870 seeing things where I said I know what 1473 01:10:56,370 --> 01:10:54,400 I've seen that pose before I've seen 1474 01:10:59,400 --> 01:10:56,380 that posture before and it was in art 1475 01:11:02,040 --> 01:10:59,410 history class and it was a you know 1476 01:11:03,570 --> 01:11:02,050 statues that are figurines small statues 1477 01:11:05,610 --> 01:11:03,580 like the Venus of Willendorf and stuff 1478 01:11:07,380 --> 01:11:05,620 like that where those things are you 1479 01:11:11,940 --> 01:11:07,390 know twenty five thousand forty thousand 1480 01:11:13,320 --> 01:11:11,950 years old and it's the more I looked at 1481 01:11:16,170 --> 01:11:13,330 bringing that me the more I could kind 1482 01:11:17,490 --> 01:11:16,180 of see patterns and compositions that 1483 01:11:20,100 --> 01:11:17,500 I'd seen in art history class and that's 1484 01:11:21,660 --> 01:11:20,110 when it all kind of just you know it 1485 01:11:23,460 --> 01:11:21,670 started to make sense in a way that the 1486 01:11:26,700 --> 01:11:23,470 things that never made sense before and 1487 01:11:29,550 --> 01:11:26,710 you start to because I did the same 1488 01:11:31,230 --> 01:11:29,560 thing and I certainly have done it since 1489 01:11:33,010 --> 01:11:31,240 your presentation too as well it's 1490 01:11:36,810 --> 01:11:33,020 almost like I can't escape it 1491 01:11:40,270 --> 01:11:36,820 but you now start to notice it 1492 01:11:42,100 --> 01:11:40,280 everywhere not only in Egyptian art but 1493 01:11:44,380 --> 01:11:42,110 throughout history like you're saying 1494 01:11:48,250 --> 01:11:44,390 and you know from the Sistine Chapel and 1495 01:11:52,060 --> 01:11:48,260 and onwards and outwards it it seems to 1496 01:11:54,190 --> 01:11:52,070 be everywhere and now you almost can't 1497 01:11:58,420 --> 01:11:54,200 help but look at a piece of artwork and 1498 01:12:00,880 --> 01:11:58,430 start looking for Anatomy yeah and and 1499 01:12:04,710 --> 01:12:00,890 especially once you start understanding 1500 01:12:07,480 --> 01:12:04,720 the symbolic language that that's used 1501 01:12:09,310 --> 01:12:07,490 you can start seeing what the the that 1502 01:12:12,700 --> 01:12:09,320 even if it's not representing Anatomy 1503 01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:12,710 exactly it's representing processes that 1504 01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:14,690 are taking place in the body and I think 1505 01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:17,330 it's like any you know any people always 1506 01:12:20,650 --> 01:12:19,010 say that art is subjective I think 1507 01:12:22,630 --> 01:12:20,660 that's true to a degree and you can know 1508 01:12:24,130 --> 01:12:22,640 you could make a painting and and it 1509 01:12:26,410 --> 01:12:24,140 could mean so many different things to 1510 01:12:27,730 --> 01:12:26,420 so many different people but a lot of 1511 01:12:29,620 --> 01:12:27,740 the times especially with symbolic 1512 01:12:30,460 --> 01:12:29,630 artwork is that there's an actor it's 1513 01:12:32,380 --> 01:12:30,470 not subjective 1514 01:12:33,790 --> 01:12:32,390 you know the artist had an intention 1515 01:12:35,620 --> 01:12:33,800 that made that and they use those 1516 01:12:37,590 --> 01:12:35,630 symbols very for very specific reasons 1517 01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:37,600 and if you know that language of symbols 1518 01:12:41,230 --> 01:12:40,010 you can kind of work back what the 1519 01:12:42,700 --> 01:12:41,240 artist is trying to say and what they're 1520 01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:42,710 trying to communicate and it's not 1521 01:12:45,460 --> 01:12:43,850 something that's subjective where you 1522 01:12:47,110 --> 01:12:45,470 can just say well this painting makes me 1523 01:12:48,430 --> 01:12:47,120 feel this way or that way and that's 1524 01:12:50,980 --> 01:12:48,440 great about how you feel about it but 1525 01:12:52,060 --> 01:12:50,990 the artist who made it you can tell 1526 01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:52,070 they're trying to communicate something 1527 01:12:56,410 --> 01:12:53,930 because they're using symbols the same 1528 01:12:59,350 --> 01:12:56,420 we're in it you know a high-level 1529 01:13:02,680 --> 01:12:59,360 mathematician if you look at some good 1530 01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:02,690 will hunting types scene of a MIT 1531 01:13:06,070 --> 01:13:04,250 physics class where there's some crazy 1532 01:13:07,540 --> 01:13:06,080 agent from floor to ceiling that's a 1533 01:13:09,220 --> 01:13:07,550 whole bunch of cryptic symbols so most 1534 01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:09,230 of us have no clue what they mean right 1535 01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:11,570 but to the to the mathematicians that 1536 01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:14,330 all those symbols have meaning and you 1537 01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:16,250 can see that in advance the Terek 1538 01:13:19,270 --> 01:13:17,930 artwork you can see especially I can end 1539 01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:19,280 how chemical art work you can see 1540 01:13:22,210 --> 01:13:20,930 symbols being used and you can see that 1541 01:13:23,980 --> 01:13:22,220 there is there's something being 1542 01:13:25,870 --> 01:13:23,990 conveyed here that's not subjective it's 1543 01:13:27,310 --> 01:13:25,880 you can you can kind of get behind the 1544 01:13:30,820 --> 01:13:27,320 mind of the artist and understand where 1545 01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:30,830 they're coming from now what about you 1546 01:13:41,770 --> 01:13:36,970 almost sound dr. ish okay 1547 01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:41,780 your your your medical terms you know 1548 01:13:48,580 --> 01:13:44,570 parts of the body in the brain 1549 01:13:51,759 --> 01:13:48,590 the heart the the nervous system it 1550 01:13:55,330 --> 01:13:51,769 sounds like you went into a general 1551 01:13:57,430 --> 01:13:55,340 study of the body to start to understand 1552 01:14:02,799 --> 01:13:57,440 what was really going on here am I am I 1553 01:14:05,379 --> 01:14:02,809 mistaken I did I did start I have a 1554 01:14:07,299 --> 01:14:05,389 whole bunch of medical textbooks and 1555 01:14:08,979 --> 01:14:07,309 stuff like that and they're so dry and 1556 01:14:10,450 --> 01:14:08,989 it's so difficult to dive into that 1557 01:14:13,509 --> 01:14:10,460 stuff so it is a really difficult 1558 01:14:15,910 --> 01:14:13,519 subject to get into and and I'm I'm 1559 01:14:18,220 --> 01:14:15,920 terrible at it see I mispronounced 1560 01:14:19,990 --> 01:14:18,230 things as well and and the names of 1561 01:14:23,020 --> 01:14:20,000 anatomy and stuff like that so it's a 1562 01:14:24,819 --> 01:14:23,030 whole field of study that obviously you 1563 01:14:26,140 --> 01:14:24,829 can spend an eternity having to learn 1564 01:14:27,700 --> 01:14:26,150 all the terms and then learn how 1565 01:14:29,529 --> 01:14:27,710 everything works and I'm at this point 1566 01:14:31,660 --> 01:14:29,539 is that an extremely superficial base 1567 01:14:33,279 --> 01:14:31,670 level of understanding these things I 1568 01:14:34,870 --> 01:14:33,289 mean mostly where I'm coming from is 1569 01:14:37,839 --> 01:14:34,880 just pattern recognition of just seeing 1570 01:14:39,970 --> 01:14:37,849 shapes and forms and so then when you 1571 01:14:42,490 --> 01:14:39,980 get down into the actual nitty-gritty of 1572 01:14:45,279 --> 01:14:42,500 it and how these things function that 1573 01:14:47,410 --> 01:14:45,289 that festive usually puts me to sleep 1574 01:14:49,450 --> 01:14:47,420 once I try to read that stuff because 1575 01:14:53,859 --> 01:14:49,460 it's sort of try and so textbook II and 1576 01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:53,869 medical and scientific but you do you do 1577 01:14:56,740 --> 01:14:55,130 have to kind of venture into that thing 1578 01:14:57,910 --> 01:14:56,750 and start and start familiarizing with 1579 01:15:00,490 --> 01:14:57,920 yourself for that stuff and then you 1580 01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:00,500 just realize oh there's so much no I 1581 01:15:04,689 --> 01:15:02,090 think about that it's gonna but I could 1582 01:15:08,589 --> 01:15:04,699 spend a lifetime studying this and you 1583 01:15:10,120 --> 01:15:08,599 know it's a daunting field to poke your 1584 01:15:11,859 --> 01:15:10,130 spoke your toe in the water to do and 1585 01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:11,869 dip your toe in the water to and this is 1586 01:15:16,870 --> 01:15:13,730 this is where for me it gets a little 1587 01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:16,880 bit nutty and crazy but the facts are 1588 01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:22,010 the facts if you go to da Vinci and the 1589 01:15:28,359 --> 01:15:24,650 way that he studied the human form right 1590 01:15:31,660 --> 01:15:28,369 and and what he had to do to understand 1591 01:15:32,740 --> 01:15:31,670 the systems of the human body pretty 1592 01:15:38,319 --> 01:15:32,750 disgusting 1593 01:15:39,970 --> 01:15:38,329 but he he he did what he had to do but 1594 01:15:43,569 --> 01:15:39,980 we have to think about what year that 1595 01:15:48,970 --> 01:15:43,579 was and then you back up you have to 1596 01:15:53,470 --> 01:15:48,980 back up 2,000 years plus another 2,000 1597 01:15:57,340 --> 01:15:53,480 years to get back to these periods 1598 01:15:59,520 --> 01:15:57,350 of the ancient Egyptians that were doing 1599 01:16:03,430 --> 01:15:59,530 the very same thing 1600 01:16:06,570 --> 01:16:03,440 right right now that that gets a little 1601 01:16:10,180 --> 01:16:06,580 bit crazy to me in that the Egyptians 1602 01:16:13,900 --> 01:16:10,190 obviously understood human anatomy and 1603 01:16:15,850 --> 01:16:13,910 they weren't supposed to yeah and even 1604 01:16:18,370 --> 01:16:15,860 that idea that people always talk about 1605 01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:18,380 that they didn't put any emphasis on the 1606 01:16:21,550 --> 01:16:19,730 brain and they scraped it out through 1607 01:16:23,500 --> 01:16:21,560 the nose and that stuff I think that is 1608 01:16:26,770 --> 01:16:23,510 I think that's a great misconception 1609 01:16:28,900 --> 01:16:26,780 about their their knowledge of not only 1610 01:16:32,170 --> 01:16:28,910 the brain but of the brain in relation 1611 01:16:35,590 --> 01:16:32,180 to consciousness and and I think they 1612 01:16:37,810 --> 01:16:35,600 had such a complex understanding of 1613 01:16:41,020 --> 01:16:37,820 anatomy and the brain and how 1614 01:16:44,380 --> 01:16:41,030 consciousness relates to it that it 1615 01:16:47,950 --> 01:16:44,390 requires us to greatly change what we 1616 01:16:50,410 --> 01:16:47,960 understand of what they knew and and 1617 01:16:53,170 --> 01:16:50,420 what what the functions were it's one 1618 01:16:56,470 --> 01:16:53,180 thing to represent it artistically right 1619 01:17:00,970 --> 01:16:56,480 okay or maybe a carving or the eye of 1620 01:17:04,390 --> 01:17:00,980 Rod and okay that is in its very basic 1621 01:17:06,610 --> 01:17:04,400 form but they they either they fully 1622 01:17:09,930 --> 01:17:06,620 understood different parts of the brain 1623 01:17:14,890 --> 01:17:09,940 and its functions or they were certainly 1624 01:17:17,740 --> 01:17:14,900 interested in trying to discover not 1625 01:17:20,140 --> 01:17:17,750 only the brain but different glands and 1626 01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:20,150 the functions of the body and that is 1627 01:17:26,890 --> 01:17:22,130 that wasn't supposed to be happening 1628 01:17:29,140 --> 01:17:26,900 with Stone Age man at 2500 BC right and 1629 01:17:31,690 --> 01:17:29,150 even I mean I don't think too many 1630 01:17:34,270 --> 01:17:31,700 people in the academic world have seen 1631 01:17:35,950 --> 01:17:34,280 my presentation that first Magica Egypt 1632 01:17:38,979 --> 01:17:35,960 but me even just throwing out the idea 1633 01:17:42,580 --> 01:17:38,989 is that human beings knew about brain 1634 01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:42,590 anatomy in you know 25,000 BCE that 1635 01:17:45,820 --> 01:17:44,330 they're gonna scoff and laugh at that 1636 01:17:48,070 --> 01:17:45,830 because that's just capacitors how could 1637 01:17:51,100 --> 01:17:48,080 these you know Paleolithic people have 1638 01:17:53,260 --> 01:17:51,110 any understanding of brain anatomy and 1639 01:17:54,910 --> 01:17:53,270 it's something that I don't I can't say 1640 01:17:56,440 --> 01:17:54,920 but all I can say is when I look at some 1641 01:17:58,930 --> 01:17:56,450 of those those statues and those 1642 01:18:03,340 --> 01:17:58,940 figurines is that it's extremely similar 1643 01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:03,350 if not exact representations of parts of 1644 01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:04,730 the brain stem in purpose brain anatomy 1645 01:18:08,150 --> 01:18:06,210 and 1646 01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:08,160 I've come to the opinion like your intro 1647 01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:09,570 that you had talking about you know 1648 01:18:13,490 --> 01:18:11,010 knowledge and all these things I mean 1649 01:18:16,280 --> 01:18:13,500 John Anthony West 101 is that you know 1650 01:18:18,650 --> 01:18:16,290 civilizations don't evolve linearly you 1651 01:18:20,660 --> 01:18:18,660 know that the evolution is a thing 1652 01:18:22,340 --> 01:18:20,670 anybody has chickens like we have 1653 01:18:23,900 --> 01:18:22,350 chickens you can see evolution and the 1654 01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:23,910 chicken those little dinosaurs a little 1655 01:18:29,300 --> 01:18:25,890 dinosaur feet little dinosaur faces and 1656 01:18:32,210 --> 01:18:29,310 feathers but the idea that civilizations 1657 01:18:34,070 --> 01:18:32,220 are just as linear progressive you know 1658 01:18:35,510 --> 01:18:34,080 from simple to complex like you were 1659 01:18:37,550 --> 01:18:35,520 talking about the game we've seen dark 1660 01:18:39,650 --> 01:18:37,560 agents we've seen we've seen rise and 1661 01:18:43,610 --> 01:18:39,660 fall of Empires we feel like we're 1662 01:18:44,990 --> 01:18:43,620 currently living in a time very human as 1663 01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:45,000 technology gets smarter people are 1664 01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:46,410 getting stupider so I almost feel like 1665 01:18:51,890 --> 01:18:49,410 we're currently living in a time where 1666 01:18:56,600 --> 01:18:51,900 things are starting to digit you need to 1667 01:18:59,060 --> 01:18:56,610 degenerate and I think that's something 1668 01:19:00,080 --> 01:18:59,070 that needs to be addressed that you're 1669 01:19:02,360 --> 01:19:00,090 saying the things that were taught in 1670 01:19:04,190 --> 01:19:02,370 school is that it isn't just simple to 1671 01:19:05,300 --> 01:19:04,200 complex it's boom-and-bust you know you 1672 01:19:07,070 --> 01:19:05,310 have golden ages and you have 1673 01:19:08,330 --> 01:19:07,080 Renaissance is in your Dark Ages when 1674 01:19:11,690 --> 01:19:08,340 people forget stuff and then they 1675 01:19:13,010 --> 01:19:11,700 remember stuff and and you know that's 1676 01:19:16,460 --> 01:19:13,020 one of the interesting things about that 1677 01:19:18,830 --> 01:19:16,470 myth of Osiris is that idea that he gets 1678 01:19:20,660 --> 01:19:18,840 dismembered and Isis has to remember him 1679 01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:20,670 she has to put him back together and you 1680 01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:22,410 know and all the parts are scattered all 1681 01:19:27,050 --> 01:19:23,850 over the place and she has to go find 1682 01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:27,060 all the pieces of Osiris and that idea 1683 01:19:30,740 --> 01:19:29,370 of remembering something I never thought 1684 01:19:32,270 --> 01:19:30,750 about that word in that way before it 1685 01:19:33,860 --> 01:19:32,280 but to dismember something and you're 1686 01:19:35,750 --> 01:19:33,870 remembering and putting it back together 1687 01:19:37,570 --> 01:19:35,760 it's almost like this reassembly of 1688 01:19:39,770 --> 01:19:37,580 things that have been scattered and lost 1689 01:19:41,690 --> 01:19:39,780 and I think that's what you know at 1690 01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:41,700 people like John and Graham Hancock in 1691 01:19:46,430 --> 01:19:44,850 this whole school of sort of alternative 1692 01:19:48,170 --> 01:19:46,440 history has been able to do is to been 1693 01:19:50,480 --> 01:19:48,180 kind of remember all those parts and 1694 01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:50,490 pull it back together and say hang on 1695 01:19:54,410 --> 01:19:52,050 it's not what what we're being told it 1696 01:19:56,930 --> 01:19:54,420 is it's so funny I didn't want to talk 1697 01:19:59,750 --> 01:19:56,940 about this earlier but it somebody just 1698 01:20:02,120 --> 01:19:59,760 tweeted Liz just tweeted when da Vinci 1699 01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:02,130 was studying the human body he took 1700 01:20:07,130 --> 01:20:04,530 corpses under the Vatican and cut them 1701 01:20:09,950 --> 01:20:07,140 hoping and drew them out those bodies 1702 01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:09,960 are medical textbooks today with exactly 1703 01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:13,050 I didn't want to say that over the air 1704 01:20:18,290 --> 01:20:16,050 but that's what you know it's it's a 1705 01:20:19,910 --> 01:20:18,300 pretty fascinating thing that we look at 1706 01:20:23,150 --> 01:20:19,920 da Vinci and his discovery the 1707 01:20:27,439 --> 01:20:23,160 and body and just like you said we can 1708 01:20:30,380 --> 01:20:27,449 go back to these goddess figurines that 1709 01:20:36,890 --> 01:20:30,390 are tens of thousands of years or ain't 1710 01:20:40,100 --> 01:20:36,900 old old old old and and and there it is 1711 01:20:44,540 --> 01:20:40,110 right there representing the brain the 1712 01:20:46,850 --> 01:20:44,550 brain stem it oh and the original 1713 01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:46,860 goddess that you talked about a magical 1714 01:20:53,870 --> 01:20:50,850 Egypt to which figurine is that well 1715 01:20:55,610 --> 01:20:53,880 there's there's Venus figurines but then 1716 01:20:56,990 --> 01:20:55,620 there's like Artemis of Ephesus and 1717 01:20:59,689 --> 01:20:57,000 Diana there's those that are the kind of 1718 01:21:02,450 --> 01:20:59,699 multi breasted yes range figures those 1719 01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:02,460 what the original Venus one the one 1720 01:21:09,620 --> 01:21:07,530 that's crazily proportioned that's in 1721 01:21:12,770 --> 01:21:09,630 the Pope's office at the Vatican is 1722 01:21:18,380 --> 01:21:12,780 sitting on its it had a fireplace mantel 1723 01:21:20,419 --> 01:21:18,390 and he looks at it all day long it's 1724 01:21:24,290 --> 01:21:20,429 kind of its kind of creepy when you 1725 01:21:25,790 --> 01:21:24,300 think about it it's interesting 1726 01:21:29,030 --> 01:21:25,800 interesting to think about that idea 1727 01:21:33,290 --> 01:21:29,040 that that if if the brain stem is really 1728 01:21:34,939 --> 01:21:33,300 sort of what I would kind of subscribe 1729 01:21:37,310 --> 01:21:34,949 to this idea that the human beings are 1730 01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:37,320 all kind of Radiohead's and we receive 1731 01:21:41,660 --> 01:21:39,210 consciousness the same way that you know 1732 01:21:43,340 --> 01:21:41,670 your television receives more gramming 1733 01:21:45,620 --> 01:21:43,350 and you know the computer receives the 1734 01:21:47,209 --> 01:21:45,630 Internet is that it does seem to me that 1735 01:21:50,209 --> 01:21:47,219 the brain stem is sort of the crucial 1736 01:21:52,010 --> 01:21:50,219 piece of the hardware that deals with 1737 01:21:54,260 --> 01:21:52,020 not only consciousness but that connects 1738 01:21:57,350 --> 01:21:54,270 people to these ideas or these feelings 1739 01:21:58,729 --> 01:21:57,360 of divinity or wholeness so it may be 1740 01:22:01,250 --> 01:21:58,739 not surprising that somebody like the 1741 01:22:03,650 --> 01:22:01,260 Pope would have a statue whether or not 1742 01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:03,660 he he knows it is dealing with brain 1743 01:22:09,140 --> 01:22:06,810 anatomy or not but that is sort of it I 1744 01:22:12,650 --> 01:22:09,150 would be willing to speculate that the 1745 01:22:14,300 --> 01:22:12,660 brain stem is sort of the seat of these 1746 01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:14,310 consciousness experiences these higher 1747 01:22:18,740 --> 01:22:16,890 states of these sort of ecstatic 1748 01:22:20,030 --> 01:22:18,750 religious experiences there's visionary 1749 01:22:21,740 --> 01:22:20,040 states that people have but there's 1750 01:22:25,550 --> 01:22:21,750 something going on with the brainstem as 1751 01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:25,560 I sort of a spark plug or a catalyst to 1752 01:22:29,900 --> 01:22:27,770 get to these higher states 1753 01:22:31,700 --> 01:22:29,910 maybe it's an interesting synchronicity 1754 01:22:33,509 --> 01:22:31,710 that the Pope has you know a Venus of 1755 01:22:40,620 --> 01:22:33,519 Willendorf in his office well it 1756 01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:40,630 on why he's looking at it they said it 1757 01:22:45,209 --> 01:22:42,610 Brad I said it I said it out loud 1758 01:22:50,069 --> 01:22:45,219 well even the Pope even the Pope likes 1759 01:22:51,569 --> 01:22:50,079 you know fat bottomed girls I can't wait 1760 01:22:53,489 --> 01:22:51,579 for that movie by the way 1761 01:22:59,180 --> 01:22:53,499 I can't wait for Bohemian Rhapsody I 1762 01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:03,149 okay I'm actually I wanted before I 1763 01:23:07,979 --> 01:23:04,690 asked my next question I want to go back 1764 01:23:09,509 --> 01:23:07,989 to what you just said which is and I 1765 01:23:12,660 --> 01:23:09,519 think we're starting to figure this out 1766 01:23:15,089 --> 01:23:12,670 what you know if our body turns off 1767 01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:15,099 right the flu you die right this the 1768 01:23:20,700 --> 01:23:17,650 switch is flipped and and no more 1769 01:23:25,259 --> 01:23:20,710 electricity to the brain does that mean 1770 01:23:27,810 --> 01:23:25,269 that certainly your memories are gone I 1771 01:23:30,029 --> 01:23:27,820 can understand that part it's an 1772 01:23:32,370 --> 01:23:30,039 electrical system but the consciousness 1773 01:23:35,609 --> 01:23:32,380 the thing that makes Brad Claussen Brad 1774 01:23:36,359 --> 01:23:35,619 Claussen you know what what happens with 1775 01:23:44,899 --> 01:23:36,369 that 1776 01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:44,909 antenna and it is receiving 1777 01:23:48,660 --> 01:23:47,530 consciousness and that the consciousness 1778 01:23:50,609 --> 01:23:48,670 doesn't go anywhere 1779 01:23:52,529 --> 01:23:50,619 I think that science is getting closer 1780 01:23:55,049 --> 01:23:52,539 to closer and closer to figuring that 1781 01:23:57,720 --> 01:23:55,059 part out but that's where we are today 1782 01:24:01,200 --> 01:23:57,730 in 2018 we're getting close to these 1783 01:24:03,479 --> 01:24:01,210 questions clearly the Egyptians had a 1784 01:24:07,140 --> 01:24:03,489 grip on this and they understood this a 1785 01:24:11,009 --> 01:24:07,150 long time ago yeah I would I would even 1786 01:24:14,580 --> 01:24:11,019 say that I feel like every every sort of 1787 01:24:17,189 --> 01:24:14,590 esoteric or philosophical sect of any 1788 01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:17,199 sort of religion the the sort of 1789 01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:19,570 philosophers sages be you know the the 1790 01:24:24,959 --> 01:24:22,210 Sufis in Islam are those mystery schools 1791 01:24:27,359 --> 01:24:24,969 and Egypt's or Greek or Chaldea or you 1792 01:24:29,700 --> 01:24:27,369 know the Gnostic they're the Essenes you 1793 01:24:32,310 --> 01:24:29,710 know where the the the Nadine made on 1794 01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:32,320 Daoists in China that if you go looking 1795 01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:35,530 at all of the sort of the esoteric sex 1796 01:24:40,859 --> 01:24:38,530 of any religion it seems like it's just 1797 01:24:42,509 --> 01:24:40,869 common to any of these human beings that 1798 01:24:46,390 --> 01:24:42,519 are seekers that are philosophers and 1799 01:24:50,509 --> 01:24:46,400 sages and sages better 1800 01:24:51,919 --> 01:24:50,519 ladies think just like you and I cares 1801 01:24:53,779 --> 01:24:51,929 about these things a human being has 1802 01:24:55,189 --> 01:24:53,789 been curious about this kumbhak from the 1803 01:24:58,100 --> 01:24:55,199 get-go and it seems like it should be 1804 01:24:59,989 --> 01:24:58,110 the most important pressing issue of the 1805 01:25:01,250 --> 01:24:59,999 day all the time I'm often blue and if 1806 01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:01,260 people don't spend very much time 1807 01:25:05,029 --> 01:25:03,690 thinking about what is this you know 1808 01:25:06,469 --> 01:25:05,039 what are we doing here I don't get you 1809 01:25:09,859 --> 01:25:06,479 where's what is what is happening but I 1810 01:25:12,259 --> 01:25:09,869 if you go into these other esoteric 1811 01:25:15,229 --> 01:25:12,269 schools of thought they all seem to be 1812 01:25:17,540 --> 01:25:15,239 getting realization in the same point 1813 01:25:19,850 --> 01:25:17,550 which is that you can have these 1814 01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:19,860 experiences while you're a living and 1815 01:25:27,649 --> 01:25:22,489 you have to feel death where you are 1816 01:25:29,689 --> 01:25:27,659 having some sort of visionary mystical 1817 01:25:31,609 --> 01:25:29,699 works and everybody gets kind of hung up 1818 01:25:33,680 --> 01:25:31,619 on this stuff because it brings in the 1819 01:25:36,250 --> 01:25:33,690 idea of divinity and God and autism and 1820 01:25:39,109 --> 01:25:36,260 there's so much baggage with those words 1821 01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:39,119 the thing that I take away from though 1822 01:25:42,439 --> 01:25:41,010 is that regardless of the God side and 1823 01:25:44,330 --> 01:25:42,449 divinity side but all of these 1824 01:25:46,489 --> 01:25:44,340 experiences people talk about being face 1825 01:25:48,589 --> 01:25:46,499 to face with knowledge and that they're 1826 01:25:50,089 --> 01:25:48,599 receiving information that's something 1827 01:25:52,549 --> 01:25:50,099 that we can wrap our heads around it 1828 01:25:54,229 --> 01:25:52,559 that you know we can put on the shelf 1829 01:25:55,850 --> 01:25:54,239 for a little bit the bigger pictures of 1830 01:25:58,370 --> 01:25:55,860 but where does consciousness come from 1831 01:26:01,310 --> 01:25:58,380 and divinity that stuff and just looked 1832 01:26:03,319 --> 01:26:01,320 at at all of these experiences accessing 1833 01:26:04,969 --> 01:26:03,329 wisdom not accessing information and 1834 01:26:07,279 --> 01:26:04,979 even when Enoch gets taken up into 1835 01:26:09,649 --> 01:26:07,289 heaven if you show information he's 1836 01:26:13,370 --> 01:26:09,659 given he's shown astronomy shown the the 1837 01:26:15,770 --> 01:26:13,380 measures of world and I think when we 1838 01:26:18,859 --> 01:26:15,780 asked that question of copper the 1839 01:26:20,569 --> 01:26:18,869 Egyptians know what they knew I think 1840 01:26:21,649 --> 01:26:20,579 you can start finding out it it's 1841 01:26:23,390 --> 01:26:21,659 something that human beings have known 1842 01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:23,400 throughout our history is that there are 1843 01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:26,010 ways in which we can access information 1844 01:26:32,390 --> 01:26:29,010 and and went through which it revelation 1845 01:26:34,750 --> 01:26:32,400 of universal truth is is shown to people 1846 01:26:37,399 --> 01:26:34,760 and we see it and if you look at the 1847 01:26:39,469 --> 01:26:37,409 world that they live in is there's just 1848 01:26:41,839 --> 01:26:39,479 a monsterbowl truth and where you look 1849 01:26:43,250 --> 01:26:41,849 the fact that you and I are talking the 1850 01:26:45,560 --> 01:26:43,260 science of the phones and our computers 1851 01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:45,570 that is demonstrable true you know so 1852 01:26:50,899 --> 01:26:49,170 every innovation of human beings is some 1853 01:26:55,429 --> 01:26:50,909 revelation of something that's just a 1854 01:26:58,270 --> 01:26:55,439 truth right and so i i i think the 1855 01:27:00,880 --> 01:26:58,280 egyptians and these esoteric schools 1856 01:27:03,870 --> 01:27:00,890 figured out ways to access that this 1857 01:27:06,820 --> 01:27:03,880 sort of for lack of a better word this 1858 01:27:09,250 --> 01:27:06,830 cosmic database of universal truth and 1859 01:27:12,100 --> 01:27:09,260 they were able to see it in these 1860 01:27:14,470 --> 01:27:12,110 visionary States and bring it back and 1861 01:27:15,880 --> 01:27:14,480 say okay I think I figured out how we 1862 01:27:17,290 --> 01:27:15,890 could solve this problem I think I 1863 01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:17,300 figured out we could move these stones 1864 01:27:23,140 --> 01:27:20,090 you know I figure I think what you 1865 01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:23,150 really have is just a group of extremely 1866 01:27:27,880 --> 01:27:26,090 curious human beings throughout time who 1867 01:27:30,130 --> 01:27:27,890 has figured out ways how to access 1868 01:27:31,570 --> 01:27:30,140 knowledge and wisdom and if you go to 1869 01:27:32,920 --> 01:27:31,580 all these wisdom traditions they're all 1870 01:27:37,120 --> 01:27:32,930 saying the same thing but they are 1871 01:27:40,930 --> 01:27:37,130 becoming they have figured out ways to 1872 01:27:42,910 --> 01:27:40,940 access higher levels of knowing when we 1873 01:27:46,150 --> 01:27:42,920 come back after the break I want to 1874 01:27:49,510 --> 01:27:46,160 specifically talk about your discovery 1875 01:27:51,820 --> 01:27:49,520 of these goddess figurines and what they 1876 01:27:54,430 --> 01:27:51,830 actually represented and how you went 1877 01:27:56,050 --> 01:27:54,440 through that process and so before we 1878 01:27:59,770 --> 01:27:56,060 get to that and before we get to the 1879 01:28:04,540 --> 01:27:59,780 break I want to specifically ask you 1880 01:28:07,690 --> 01:28:04,550 about the I of raw now that I know that 1881 01:28:09,880 --> 01:28:07,700 it represents the pineal gland do you 1882 01:28:11,710 --> 01:28:09,890 think that there's a chance that there's 1883 01:28:14,620 --> 01:28:11,720 something lost in the translation that 1884 01:28:19,630 --> 01:28:14,630 it is not the I of raw at all and that's 1885 01:28:22,390 --> 01:28:19,640 not what is there it is just simply the 1886 01:28:26,050 --> 01:28:22,400 pineal gland and and what it represents 1887 01:28:29,260 --> 01:28:26,060 as the third eye that we just it looks 1888 01:28:33,400 --> 01:28:29,270 like an eye to us so we've we've just 1889 01:28:35,410 --> 01:28:33,410 made a mistake now I know I think I 1890 01:28:37,570 --> 01:28:35,420 think one of the misconceptions about 1891 01:28:40,420 --> 01:28:37,580 the eye rod I abhor is that it's 1892 01:28:43,390 --> 01:28:40,430 strictly the pineal gland I think the 1893 01:28:45,820 --> 01:28:43,400 work is very Osborn he was the first 1894 01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:45,830 person I'm aware that is shown that I of 1895 01:28:51,040 --> 01:28:48,410 the Eye of Horus or the i broug seems to 1896 01:28:52,720 --> 01:28:51,050 be showing this more of the brain 1897 01:28:54,940 --> 01:28:52,730 insisted pineal gland assuming the 1898 01:28:56,680 --> 01:28:54,950 thalamus and yes and the Camille and and 1899 01:28:59,230 --> 01:28:56,690 the corpus callosum and this whole other 1900 01:29:02,020 --> 01:28:59,240 thing and I think it's in coming up in 1901 01:29:04,390 --> 01:29:02,030 episode 6 but I even threw out the idea 1902 01:29:06,850 --> 01:29:04,400 that I think that I have excuse me 1903 01:29:09,130 --> 01:29:06,860 I think the eye of horus is actually 1904 01:29:12,040 --> 01:29:09,140 showing the ventricles of the brain that 1905 01:29:14,080 --> 01:29:12,050 are the cavities are the caverns 1906 01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:14,090 in the brain around the thalamus and 1907 01:29:20,259 --> 01:29:16,010 that are around the third ventricle and 1908 01:29:21,580 --> 01:29:20,269 I think it's the the the ventricles are 1909 01:29:23,709 --> 01:29:21,590 what Philip with cerebral spinal fluid 1910 01:29:26,520 --> 01:29:23,719 and people spinal fluid goes and base 1911 01:29:28,750 --> 01:29:26,530 brain into the into the well I guess 1912 01:29:31,959 --> 01:29:28,760 Brett I guess that's what I'm suggesting 1913 01:29:34,120 --> 01:29:31,969 here right that it's not an eye that's 1914 01:29:37,359 --> 01:29:34,130 all that I'm saying it's the medulla 1915 01:29:39,970 --> 01:29:37,369 oblongata right it's it's yes yes yeah 1916 01:29:41,109 --> 01:29:39,980 yeah I think but I I think that symbol 1917 01:29:42,250 --> 01:29:41,119 of the eye and actually the the 1918 01:29:43,689 --> 01:29:42,260 symposium that I'm going to give for 1919 01:29:46,779 --> 01:29:43,699 thematically I think it's talks directly 1920 01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:46,789 to that idea of of this idea of the 1921 01:29:50,379 --> 01:29:49,010 mind's eye I think so much when people 1922 01:29:51,759 --> 01:29:50,389 talk about the pineal gland yes from 1923 01:29:53,020 --> 01:29:51,769 that bone this idea of a third eye and 1924 01:29:54,729 --> 01:29:53,030 what they're trying to but we have two 1925 01:29:56,169 --> 01:29:54,739 eyes and there's this one single eye and 1926 01:29:58,239 --> 01:29:56,179 they're trying to locate it in the brain 1927 01:29:59,589 --> 01:29:58,249 and I think yeah I do have the mind's 1928 01:30:01,419 --> 01:29:59,599 eye or something that is much more 1929 01:30:03,160 --> 01:30:01,429 easier I think that's what that symbol 1930 01:30:05,709 --> 01:30:03,170 is talking about is this ability to see 1931 01:30:08,379 --> 01:30:05,719 inside your head like your imagination 1932 01:30:11,500 --> 01:30:08,389 and and and not only that but the eye is 1933 01:30:13,450 --> 01:30:11,510 also a symbol for understanding it's the 1934 01:30:16,209 --> 01:30:13,460 perception and for knowing and so when 1935 01:30:17,109 --> 01:30:16,219 when we understand something we say oh I 1936 01:30:18,669 --> 01:30:17,119 see what you're saying 1937 01:30:20,649 --> 01:30:18,679 see what I mean right you don't see 1938 01:30:24,399 --> 01:30:20,659 where I'm coming from so the sight and 1939 01:30:26,620 --> 01:30:24,409 vision is is not just about seeing it's 1940 01:30:29,319 --> 01:30:26,630 about perceiving and understanding and 1941 01:30:31,029 --> 01:30:29,329 so the symbol of the eyes I think this 1942 01:30:33,520 --> 01:30:31,039 is one of these that gets kind of you 1943 01:30:35,259 --> 01:30:33,530 know unfortunately marginalized as as 1944 01:30:36,910 --> 01:30:35,269 this symbol for the Illuminati when 1945 01:30:40,509 --> 01:30:36,920 really the symbol for that is that you 1946 01:30:42,160 --> 01:30:40,519 know the symbol for the eye of 1947 01:30:44,799 --> 01:30:42,170 providence it's the eye of God the 1948 01:30:46,839 --> 01:30:44,809 all-knowing I've achieved everything and 1949 01:30:49,479 --> 01:30:46,849 knows everything so the eye is a symbol 1950 01:30:51,970 --> 01:30:49,489 for wisdom we got to take a break right 1951 01:30:53,680 --> 01:30:51,980 here Brad we'll pick up where we left 1952 01:30:55,569 --> 01:30:53,690 off when we come back our guest tonight 1953 01:30:57,100 --> 01:30:55,579 Brad Claussen this is night three of our 1954 01:30:59,169 --> 01:30:57,110 YouTube do we care and fade to black I'm 1955 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about 2039 01:35:51,270 --> 01:35:48,820 ancient Egypt and we're jumping back a 2040 01:35:53,220 --> 01:35:51,280 little bit further because we're going 2041 01:35:55,230 --> 01:35:53,230 to lead up and and continue the 2042 01:35:58,230 --> 01:35:55,240 conversation throughout Egypt tonight 2043 01:36:01,280 --> 01:35:58,240 and Brad will be presenting online at 2044 01:36:03,300 --> 01:36:01,290 the magical Egypt symposium and Brad's 2045 01:36:06,480 --> 01:36:03,310 presentation and everybody else you can 2046 01:36:09,030 --> 01:36:06,490 go to magical Egypt calm and check 2047 01:36:11,040 --> 01:36:09,040 everything out there I Brad I actually 2048 01:36:15,270 --> 01:36:11,050 had the chance to go on with chant I had 2049 01:36:18,360 --> 01:36:15,280 the chance to coho chance last week and 2050 01:36:22,530 --> 01:36:18,370 I had such a great time and I look at 2051 01:36:24,810 --> 01:36:22,540 what chance and Vinnies have assembled 2052 01:36:27,240 --> 01:36:24,820 and the intellectuals and the 2053 01:36:30,810 --> 01:36:27,250 researchers there man man man have you 2054 01:36:32,100 --> 01:36:30,820 been following it yes not as much as I 2055 01:36:33,420 --> 01:36:32,110 would like to because I've just been 2056 01:36:35,160 --> 01:36:33,430 sort of preoccupied with a bunch of 2057 01:36:37,290 --> 01:36:35,170 stuff but I'm grateful that it's all 2058 01:36:39,660 --> 01:36:37,300 been recorded and I can go back and you 2059 01:36:40,980 --> 01:36:39,670 know just go through over the fine-tooth 2060 01:36:43,020 --> 01:36:40,990 comb because it is a lot of really 2061 01:36:45,510 --> 01:36:43,030 interesting people and that's one of the 2062 01:36:47,730 --> 01:36:45,520 things do about chance that I don't 2063 01:36:50,610 --> 01:36:47,740 think people realize is that when I went 2064 01:36:52,830 --> 01:36:50,620 and saw John in 2013 and I showed him 2065 01:36:54,780 --> 01:36:52,840 sort of the core of the stuff that I had 2066 01:36:56,910 --> 01:36:54,790 I would always bring up stuff from the 2067 01:36:58,050 --> 01:36:56,920 first magically gypsy series and say 2068 01:36:59,790 --> 01:36:58,060 like well I'm when you know when it said 2069 01:37:01,920 --> 01:36:59,800 this and heroes go that was my partner 2070 01:37:04,290 --> 01:37:01,930 chance who said that I mean I always 2071 01:37:07,050 --> 01:37:04,300 thought it was John's information and 2072 01:37:08,760 --> 01:37:07,060 you I don't think it's good for this 2073 01:37:10,110 --> 01:37:08,770 series chances out from behind the 2074 01:37:12,420 --> 01:37:10,120 camera cause you realized how much 2075 01:37:14,220 --> 01:37:12,430 information he has and how much insight 2076 01:37:15,510 --> 01:37:14,230 the chance has and every time you watch 2077 01:37:16,980 --> 01:37:15,520 magically Egypt in the narrator's 2078 01:37:20,880 --> 01:37:16,990 talking chance wrote that and that's 2079 01:37:23,010 --> 01:37:20,890 there's just some profoundly insightful 2080 01:37:24,630 --> 01:37:23,020 things and and I'm blown away that I 2081 01:37:26,520 --> 01:37:24,640 mean if you think of all the people that 2082 01:37:28,410 --> 01:37:26,530 chances emailing with all of us all of 2083 01:37:29,880 --> 01:37:28,420 us contributors and how I was able to 2084 01:37:32,550 --> 01:37:29,890 keep all this information straight and 2085 01:37:36,180 --> 01:37:32,560 how he's able to synthesize it all and 2086 01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:36,190 put it all together and then he does all 2087 01:37:42,030 --> 01:37:38,410 the animation and the the editing and 2088 01:37:44,760 --> 01:37:42,040 the directing and the the score for the 2089 01:37:47,310 --> 01:37:44,770 whole thing it's a truly Herculean 2090 01:37:49,590 --> 01:37:47,320 Renaissance masterpiece of work that 2091 01:37:52,279 --> 01:37:49,600 he's been able to do and I'm always kind 2092 01:37:55,149 --> 01:37:52,289 of amazed at how much 2093 01:37:58,939 --> 01:37:55,159 she knows yeah it's a he's incredible he 2094 01:38:01,549 --> 01:37:58,949 he's about the funnest and most humble 2095 01:38:03,439 --> 01:38:01,559 guy right you know he's a great 2096 01:38:06,649 --> 01:38:03,449 combination of both he's really really 2097 01:38:09,049 --> 01:38:06,659 funny and you'd start talking to him and 2098 01:38:11,509 --> 01:38:09,059 all you have to do and I you know I do 2099 01:38:14,089 --> 01:38:11,519 this with him it's sport it's just 2100 01:38:17,000 --> 01:38:14,099 mentioned a subject or a word and and 2101 01:38:21,020 --> 01:38:17,010 watch his brain work and how he is able 2102 01:38:22,579 --> 01:38:21,030 to just take off and and you get this 2103 01:38:24,829 --> 01:38:22,589 knowledge out of him and you start to 2104 01:38:26,750 --> 01:38:24,839 realize how how deep how much depth 2105 01:38:27,799 --> 01:38:26,760 there is to chance Gardner he's an 2106 01:38:29,509 --> 01:38:27,809 extraordinary guy 2107 01:38:32,539 --> 01:38:29,519 I'm sure he's listening right now and 2108 01:38:36,589 --> 01:38:32,549 he's he's embarrassed but chance that's 2109 01:38:39,739 --> 01:38:36,599 it's the life you chose man that's you 2110 01:38:42,649 --> 01:38:39,749 don't have it I have just posted let's 2111 01:38:46,039 --> 01:38:42,659 get into these Venus figurines I've just 2112 01:38:49,669 --> 01:38:46,049 posted up on Twitter a collection and 2113 01:38:54,799 --> 01:38:49,679 you talked about all of these in in the 2114 01:38:58,939 --> 01:38:54,809 film so they're all here and that and 2115 01:39:01,309 --> 01:38:58,949 they're all similar in that as you talk 2116 01:39:04,399 --> 01:39:01,319 about your revelations that you had with 2117 01:39:07,969 --> 01:39:04,409 these figurines it's it's it's pretty 2118 01:39:10,309 --> 01:39:07,979 much relative to each one if you know 2119 01:39:11,750 --> 01:39:10,319 what I'm saying whatever part of the 2120 01:39:15,139 --> 01:39:11,760 figurine you're talking about it 2121 01:39:20,179 --> 01:39:15,149 overlaps to all of the symbolism with 2122 01:39:22,549 --> 01:39:20,189 these ancient Venus figurines yeah and I 2123 01:39:23,899 --> 01:39:22,559 mean there's a variety of them - I mean 2124 01:39:26,119 --> 01:39:23,909 that's that's one of the things that 2125 01:39:30,169 --> 01:39:26,129 I've come from I'm coming from the point 2126 01:39:31,759 --> 01:39:30,179 of view - through just wanted to know 2127 01:39:35,299 --> 01:39:31,769 what people what human beings have known 2128 01:39:37,489 --> 01:39:35,309 and it's more of a global bigger picture 2129 01:39:40,129 --> 01:39:37,499 and I get I'm not good because I'm not 2130 01:39:41,779 --> 01:39:40,139 good with history and chronology but but 2131 01:39:43,520 --> 01:39:41,789 coming back to what we're talking about 2132 01:39:47,059 --> 01:39:43,530 earlier I've come to a point I don't 2133 01:39:49,129 --> 01:39:47,069 care anymore about how old things are or 2134 01:39:52,219 --> 01:39:49,139 where they fit in chronology it's just 2135 01:39:54,949 --> 01:39:52,229 proves just the artifacts and things 2136 01:39:57,020 --> 01:39:54,959 that human beings had created and there 2137 01:39:58,520 --> 01:39:57,030 was some article recently talking about 2138 01:40:00,469 --> 01:39:58,530 some petroglyphs that were found in 2139 01:40:00,979 --> 01:40:00,479 India that were supposed to go 10,000 2140 01:40:02,929 --> 01:40:00,989 years old 2141 01:40:04,459 --> 01:40:02,939 right and and and so everything just 2142 01:40:05,429 --> 01:40:04,469 keeps getting pushed back everything 2143 01:40:08,189 --> 01:40:05,439 just keeps getting pushed by 2144 01:40:09,689 --> 01:40:08,199 and push back and push back so I've got 2145 01:40:11,640 --> 01:40:09,699 to a point where I don't really care 2146 01:40:13,409 --> 01:40:11,650 about the timeframe anymore I know I'm 2147 01:40:15,870 --> 01:40:13,419 not looking for Zep tepi I'm not looking 2148 01:40:18,600 --> 01:40:15,880 for the first time it's becoming more 2149 01:40:20,459 --> 01:40:18,610 prevalent to me that this is just 2150 01:40:22,140 --> 01:40:20,469 information that exists and that human 2151 01:40:24,120 --> 01:40:22,150 beings have been able to tap into it 2152 01:40:26,159 --> 01:40:24,130 forever you know as long as we've been 2153 01:40:28,919 --> 01:40:26,169 able to contemplate understand to think 2154 01:40:30,589 --> 01:40:28,929 it seems that there is just a recurring 2155 01:40:34,469 --> 01:40:30,599 theme throughout human history that 2156 01:40:37,020 --> 01:40:34,479 human beings spent time contemplating 2157 01:40:38,520 --> 01:40:37,030 the big questions and contemplating 2158 01:40:40,319 --> 01:40:38,530 existence and contemplating 2159 01:40:44,009 --> 01:40:40,329 consciousness and figured some stuff out 2160 01:40:46,589 --> 01:40:44,019 and if you think about it you know if 2161 01:40:48,750 --> 01:40:46,599 you're in a monk in a monastery up in a 2162 01:40:50,669 --> 01:40:48,760 mountain on some mountaintop and all 2163 01:40:52,979 --> 01:40:50,679 you're doing is devoting your life to 2164 01:40:55,649 --> 01:40:52,989 the meditation and prayer into these 2165 01:40:57,989 --> 01:40:55,659 bigger pictures and these are sort of 2166 01:40:59,520 --> 01:40:57,999 you know the professional level sages 2167 01:41:00,479 --> 01:40:59,530 and philosophers at some point people 2168 01:41:01,949 --> 01:41:00,489 are going to figure something out 2169 01:41:04,229 --> 01:41:01,959 they're going to make breaks as you can 2170 01:41:05,939 --> 01:41:04,239 have revelations and and and we have 2171 01:41:08,219 --> 01:41:05,949 these revelations all the time we have 2172 01:41:11,219 --> 01:41:08,229 revelations of Epiphany every day 2173 01:41:13,319 --> 01:41:11,229 somebody cuts them revelation I was just 2174 01:41:14,939 --> 01:41:13,329 watching a video today with Grandmaster 2175 01:41:16,229 --> 01:41:14,949 Flash talking about how he was able to 2176 01:41:19,739 --> 01:41:16,239 figure out how to keep the drumbeat 2177 01:41:21,750 --> 01:41:19,749 going on records and how he ended up 2178 01:41:23,069 --> 01:41:21,760 creating the whole field of hip-hop and 2179 01:41:26,429 --> 01:41:23,079 how he created their scratching and 2180 01:41:28,080 --> 01:41:26,439 that's at some point somebody has to 2181 01:41:29,759 --> 01:41:28,090 have a revelation that nobody else had 2182 01:41:32,069 --> 01:41:29,769 before somebody else sees something 2183 01:41:34,890 --> 01:41:32,079 their way and something makes sense to 2184 01:41:36,919 --> 01:41:34,900 them that's just basically a long-winded 2185 01:41:40,020 --> 01:41:36,929 way to say that when I look at these 2186 01:41:43,649 --> 01:41:40,030 really old figurines and statues that 2187 01:41:45,359 --> 01:41:43,659 I'm now if you told me if artwork had 2188 01:41:46,529 --> 01:41:45,369 come out that was said that of a hundred 2189 01:41:48,060 --> 01:41:46,539 thousand years old I'm not gonna be 2190 01:41:50,159 --> 01:41:48,070 phased by it anymore because it's just 2191 01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:50,169 becoming evident to me this is just 2192 01:41:53,699 --> 01:41:51,610 things that human beings are able to 2193 01:41:58,979 --> 01:41:53,709 access and able to tap into and they 2194 01:42:04,770 --> 01:41:58,989 understand it and well I've got other 2195 01:42:08,640 --> 01:42:04,780 I've got the the earliest Venus figurine 2196 01:42:13,140 --> 01:42:08,650 let's talk about that because you spend 2197 01:42:14,670 --> 01:42:13,150 a lot of time on on this in yeah the 2198 01:42:19,470 --> 01:42:14,680 challah fells and 2199 01:42:21,870 --> 01:42:19,480 that when you look at it obviously the 2200 01:42:25,350 --> 01:42:21,880 female form is apparent right yeah okay 2201 01:42:30,150 --> 01:42:25,360 we recognize what's going on here but as 2202 01:42:33,360 --> 01:42:30,160 you analyze this figurine and break it 2203 01:42:35,250 --> 01:42:33,370 down it's pretty astounding what's going 2204 01:42:36,930 --> 01:42:35,260 on here and then when you add in the 2205 01:42:38,690 --> 01:42:36,940 element like you just said right 2206 01:42:41,760 --> 01:42:38,700 twenty-five thousand years ago 2207 01:42:43,320 --> 01:42:41,770 that's that takes things to a whole 2208 01:42:47,460 --> 01:42:43,330 nother level of the human understanding 2209 01:42:49,890 --> 01:42:47,470 and what was going on yeah like I said I 2210 01:42:51,420 --> 01:42:49,900 imagine you know I think chance and 2211 01:42:53,580 --> 01:42:51,430 Vanessa have been trying to find like 2212 01:42:55,050 --> 01:42:53,590 our neurological Robert Schoch you know 2213 01:42:57,540 --> 01:42:55,060 something that we can you know show 2214 01:42:59,130 --> 01:42:57,550 these these things to who's who's not 2215 01:43:01,470 --> 01:42:59,140 going to be scared and run off and say 2216 01:43:03,270 --> 01:43:01,480 you know you can't talk about water 2217 01:43:04,680 --> 01:43:03,280 erosion on the Sphinx enclosure you know 2218 01:43:06,660 --> 01:43:04,690 we need to get a similar sort of 2219 01:43:09,660 --> 01:43:06,670 academic person to kind of look at these 2220 01:43:10,860 --> 01:43:09,670 things and you know maybe say I've heard 2221 01:43:12,690 --> 01:43:10,870 you guys are on the right you're on the 2222 01:43:15,960 --> 01:43:12,700 right path but that whole of fell's 2223 01:43:17,730 --> 01:43:15,970 venus that one to me is one of them of 2224 01:43:19,290 --> 01:43:17,740 all the Venus's that once we really 2225 01:43:21,090 --> 01:43:19,300 looks like a brainstem I mean even the 2226 01:43:22,980 --> 01:43:21,100 the thing that you mean really gives it 2227 01:43:25,620 --> 01:43:22,990 away as the stripes or the ribbiting 2228 01:43:28,800 --> 01:43:25,630 across the chest of the the stomach of 2229 01:43:32,790 --> 01:43:28,810 the Venus which is what you see on the 2230 01:43:35,220 --> 01:43:32,800 thalamus and and there's that one to me 2231 01:43:36,750 --> 01:43:35,230 is just I look and the other thing too 2232 01:43:39,210 --> 01:43:36,760 they say that brain stems are about the 2233 01:43:40,830 --> 01:43:39,220 size of a thumb and that whole of fellas 2234 01:43:42,060 --> 01:43:40,840 Venus is about the size of a thumb I 2235 01:43:44,220 --> 01:43:42,070 know remember the exact dimensions but 2236 01:43:46,290 --> 01:43:44,230 it's about the same length as a human 2237 01:43:51,570 --> 01:43:46,300 thumb so it even is the same size as a 2238 01:43:53,160 --> 01:43:51,580 brain stem and in the ishtar statute 2239 01:43:56,490 --> 01:43:53,170 there's another as an Ishtar statue from 2240 01:43:58,620 --> 01:43:56,500 2000 BC in phantom BCE or whatever found 2241 01:44:01,290 --> 01:43:58,630 in Mesopotamia and that's showing the 2242 01:44:03,360 --> 01:44:01,300 back side of the brain stem and the 2243 01:44:05,190 --> 01:44:03,370 Ishtar statue she has a necklace and the 2244 01:44:06,600 --> 01:44:05,200 necklace the medallion of the necklace 2245 01:44:08,700 --> 01:44:06,610 it's right where the pineal gland sits 2246 01:44:10,080 --> 01:44:08,710 on the back there brainstem and the way 2247 01:44:12,750 --> 01:44:10,090 that she was holding her breast which is 2248 01:44:14,340 --> 01:44:12,760 known as the Ishtar pose is almost 2249 01:44:16,350 --> 01:44:14,350 exactly the same as what you love when 2250 01:44:19,290 --> 01:44:16,360 you see the back side of the brainstem 2251 01:44:21,770 --> 01:44:19,300 and those those two statues in 2252 01:44:24,720 --> 01:44:21,780 particular and we were just like you 2253 01:44:26,850 --> 01:44:24,730 can't ignore this when you put that side 2254 01:44:28,090 --> 01:44:26,860 by side with brain anatomy it's very 2255 01:44:31,320 --> 01:44:28,100 similar and 2256 01:44:33,970 --> 01:44:31,330 and again that I think most of modern 2257 01:44:35,350 --> 01:44:33,980 academia would scoff and laugh at and 2258 01:44:37,180 --> 01:44:35,360 say that there's no way there's no way 2259 01:44:38,500 --> 01:44:37,190 that human beings twenty five thousand 2260 01:44:41,440 --> 01:44:38,510 forty thousand years ago had any 2261 01:44:44,830 --> 01:44:41,450 information or any knowledge about brain 2262 01:44:46,270 --> 01:44:44,840 anatomy let alone the brain stem and the 2263 01:44:49,570 --> 01:44:46,280 other interesting thing too about those 2264 01:44:51,250 --> 01:44:49,580 those like the Artemis statues and the 2265 01:44:52,480 --> 01:44:51,260 Venus tattoos is this association with 2266 01:44:53,500 --> 01:44:52,490 fertility that they're talking about 2267 01:44:54,790 --> 01:44:53,510 fertility and there's and there's 2268 01:44:57,370 --> 01:44:54,800 another way to look at fertility as 2269 01:44:58,030 --> 01:44:57,380 fertility being like the the river of 2270 01:44:59,800 --> 01:44:58,040 the Nile 2271 01:45:01,630 --> 01:44:59,810 you know it's fertilizing and it's 2272 01:45:03,820 --> 01:45:01,640 allowing people to survive and live off 2273 01:45:06,520 --> 01:45:03,830 of and grow food and to have this this 2274 01:45:08,770 --> 01:45:06,530 whole culture the the Nile of the spine 2275 01:45:11,020 --> 01:45:08,780 the brainstem is the start of it and and 2276 01:45:13,330 --> 01:45:11,030 this cerebral spinal fluid runs down 2277 01:45:14,950 --> 01:45:13,340 through the spine and so it's watering 2278 01:45:17,380 --> 01:45:14,960 the garden of the body and so you have 2279 01:45:19,240 --> 01:45:17,390 this other interpretation and fertility 2280 01:45:22,510 --> 01:45:19,250 that it's providing the fertility for 2281 01:45:24,250 --> 01:45:22,520 the for the body itself and then you 2282 01:45:25,960 --> 01:45:24,260 look at the mythology and the 2283 01:45:28,530 --> 01:45:25,970 associations of these goddesses like 2284 01:45:31,480 --> 01:45:28,540 Artemis and her temples were always 2285 01:45:33,190 --> 01:45:31,490 built next to rivers into lakes and and 2286 01:45:35,170 --> 01:45:33,200 and you start seeing this association 2287 01:45:37,750 --> 01:45:35,180 with with water and with fluid and 2288 01:45:39,130 --> 01:45:37,760 that's right underneath the third 2289 01:45:41,680 --> 01:45:39,140 ventricle and these were these these 2290 01:45:43,390 --> 01:45:41,690 cavities of brain fluid are being 2291 01:45:46,180 --> 01:45:43,400 produced and then being distributed out 2292 01:45:49,570 --> 01:45:46,190 to the body so it's not just how these 2293 01:45:51,400 --> 01:45:49,580 statues look it's that it's also the the 2294 01:45:53,440 --> 01:45:51,410 symbolism and then and the stories 2295 01:45:55,510 --> 01:45:53,450 behind the goddesses and that's that 2296 01:45:58,330 --> 01:45:55,520 tuber that that helps kind of validate 2297 01:46:01,540 --> 01:45:58,340 this idea that this in my mind is 2298 01:46:05,770 --> 01:46:01,550 discussing the physiology of brain 2299 01:46:07,360 --> 01:46:05,780 anatomy now how did you the first time 2300 01:46:10,590 --> 01:46:07,370 as you started to make the connection 2301 01:46:14,620 --> 01:46:10,600 like where the holla fells and the other 2302 01:46:19,030 --> 01:46:14,630 early Venus statues what did you see 2303 01:46:20,620 --> 01:46:19,040 first the brain connection man events 2304 01:46:24,100 --> 01:46:20,630 just didn't sound right but I guess 2305 01:46:25,780 --> 01:46:24,110 that's I think there was there was one 2306 01:46:27,940 --> 01:46:25,790 that was a there was a plastic model 2307 01:46:29,800 --> 01:46:27,950 like I said the great thing about it any 2308 01:46:31,570 --> 01:46:29,810 sort of internet image search is you get 2309 01:46:32,800 --> 01:46:31,580 to see if you type in brain stem you're 2310 01:46:34,720 --> 01:46:32,810 gonna get see drawings you're gonna get 2311 01:46:37,030 --> 01:46:34,730 to see illustration you're gonna get to 2312 01:46:39,130 --> 01:46:37,040 see photos you're gonna get to see 2313 01:46:40,360 --> 01:46:39,140 models and there was a plastic model if 2314 01:46:41,790 --> 01:46:40,370 the brain stem where the Salvin is 2315 01:46:44,040 --> 01:46:41,800 sitting on top of it 2316 01:46:45,270 --> 01:46:44,050 the way that the thalamus was depicted 2317 01:46:47,130 --> 01:46:45,280 in the way that the third ventricle was 2318 01:46:49,530 --> 01:46:47,140 depicted it looked like the snout of an 2319 01:46:51,870 --> 01:46:49,540 animal and I looked at that and I went 2320 01:46:53,370 --> 01:46:51,880 I've seen this whole composition with 2321 01:46:54,780 --> 01:46:53,380 the snout of an animal sitting on top of 2322 01:46:57,270 --> 01:46:54,790 a column and I was like it's the RAM 2323 01:46:58,650 --> 01:46:57,280 sphinxes of Karnak that one when I 2324 01:47:00,510 --> 01:46:58,660 started seeing that and I put it side by 2325 01:47:03,900 --> 01:47:00,520 side that's when things really started 2326 01:47:05,760 --> 01:47:03,910 to click I went that's they're showing 2327 01:47:08,240 --> 01:47:05,770 you a brainstem and the Rams head 2328 01:47:10,260 --> 01:47:08,250 sitting on top of it is the brain and 2329 01:47:14,730 --> 01:47:10,270 that's when things really started to 2330 01:47:18,690 --> 01:47:14,740 click and I went there's something here 2331 01:47:22,470 --> 01:47:18,700 you know yeah I'm looking at it and it's 2332 01:47:25,950 --> 01:47:22,480 it's pretty for me because of your 2333 01:47:28,620 --> 01:47:25,960 presentation on this that's exactly what 2334 01:47:31,740 --> 01:47:28,630 is is being represented here and I don't 2335 01:47:34,470 --> 01:47:31,750 want to sound like it's it's not female 2336 01:47:36,810 --> 01:47:34,480 right and it's not fertility well okay 2337 01:47:41,030 --> 01:47:36,820 but it can still be both but certainly 2338 01:47:44,010 --> 01:47:41,040 yeah the brain is is is represented here 2339 01:47:45,780 --> 01:47:44,020 yeah I mean any good simple can work on 2340 01:47:47,010 --> 01:47:45,790 multiple levels and it's one things I 2341 01:47:48,480 --> 01:47:47,020 think people don't understand because 2342 01:47:51,210 --> 01:47:48,490 you see the symbol of a stop sign and 2343 01:47:53,730 --> 01:47:51,220 it's you know meaning it shouldn't have 2344 01:47:57,380 --> 01:47:53,740 multiple meanings you know right and now 2345 01:48:02,010 --> 01:47:57,390 we're suggesting clearly and so are you 2346 01:48:07,430 --> 01:48:02,020 that they were doing autopsies right you 2347 01:48:10,110 --> 01:48:07,440 have to be able to remove the skull 2348 01:48:12,240 --> 01:48:10,120 skillfully and not damage the brain and 2349 01:48:16,710 --> 01:48:12,250 then turn around and and and cut the 2350 01:48:19,050 --> 01:48:16,720 brain apart too as well yeah I I would 2351 01:48:20,730 --> 01:48:19,060 have to imagine and unless it's you know 2352 01:48:23,310 --> 01:48:20,740 like I said unless you're thinking of 2353 01:48:25,470 --> 01:48:23,320 some sort of you know like remote 2354 01:48:28,230 --> 01:48:25,480 viewing of the body and they just they 2355 01:48:29,760 --> 01:48:28,240 had some sort of some sort of ability to 2356 01:48:30,960 --> 01:48:29,770 see whether in and see stuff but I would 2357 01:48:33,150 --> 01:48:30,970 think the common sense thing would be 2358 01:48:34,770 --> 01:48:33,160 that you know I would imagine somebody 2359 01:48:36,240 --> 01:48:34,780 got their head cracked open by a rock 2360 01:48:38,340 --> 01:48:36,250 and split open and that was probably the 2361 01:48:39,960 --> 01:48:38,350 first time that somebody said look at 2362 01:48:42,120 --> 01:48:39,970 this you know and you said what's in 2363 01:48:43,640 --> 01:48:42,130 there and I don't imagine any early 2364 01:48:46,080 --> 01:48:43,650 human beings if you're hanging out with 2365 01:48:47,610 --> 01:48:46,090 your tribe and your people and someone's 2366 01:48:50,040 --> 01:48:47,620 head spills open but there's gonna be 2367 01:48:54,030 --> 01:48:50,050 some person it goes what is this what's 2368 01:48:55,650 --> 01:48:54,040 in there you know and and and III would 2369 01:48:58,410 --> 01:48:55,660 I would think 2370 01:49:00,270 --> 01:48:58,420 probably were carving up bodies and 2371 01:49:02,310 --> 01:49:00,280 being inquisitive because we do it - 2372 01:49:04,620 --> 01:49:02,320 right so it's human beings a weakling 2373 01:49:07,320 --> 01:49:04,630 DaVinci did it he was curious he wanted 2374 01:49:09,480 --> 01:49:07,330 to know you know you just have to go 2375 01:49:11,640 --> 01:49:09,490 down that gruesome path of carbonate 2376 01:49:13,140 --> 01:49:11,650 bodies but my brother-in-law works in 2377 01:49:14,970 --> 01:49:13,150 the medical field that talk to him about 2378 01:49:17,370 --> 01:49:14,980 when you have to learn about working on 2379 01:49:18,420 --> 01:49:17,380 cadavers and stuff like that and second 2380 01:49:19,260 --> 01:49:18,430 there's certain people that decide 2381 01:49:23,220 --> 01:49:19,270 stomach for it 2382 01:49:27,770 --> 01:49:23,230 I remember in biology when it came to 2383 01:49:28,920 --> 01:49:27,780 the dissecting of the frog right I 2384 01:49:32,190 --> 01:49:28,930 miraculously 2385 01:49:34,200 --> 01:49:32,200 missed that class right in my biology 2386 01:49:36,450 --> 01:49:34,210 teacher I didn't want to do it I I 2387 01:49:39,510 --> 01:49:36,460 couldn't deal with the worms that was 2388 01:49:41,490 --> 01:49:39,520 that I could not deal and so we had to 2389 01:49:43,110 --> 01:49:41,500 do the frogs and and I don't show up and 2390 01:49:45,120 --> 01:49:43,120 he's like okay well you know you've got 2391 01:49:48,450 --> 01:49:45,130 to come in you got to come in on Monday 2392 01:49:50,730 --> 01:49:48,460 I missed that okay you've got to come in 2393 01:49:53,280 --> 01:49:50,740 on Saturday I'm gonna be here on 2394 01:49:55,200 --> 01:49:53,290 Saturday and you and I are gonna do this 2395 01:49:57,540 --> 01:49:55,210 together for whatever happened I didn't 2396 01:50:01,290 --> 01:49:57,550 do it you know how I got out of it I 2397 01:50:07,950 --> 01:50:01,300 never dissected a frog I had to wash his 2398 01:50:09,900 --> 01:50:07,960 car dude drove a Corvette and made me 2399 01:50:12,120 --> 01:50:09,910 wash his car I'm not making this up 2400 01:50:15,780 --> 01:50:12,130 I never dissected the Frog it's an 2401 01:50:18,210 --> 01:50:15,790 interesting system look Carter I could I 2402 01:50:23,580 --> 01:50:18,220 couldn't do it and I was totally cool 2403 01:50:28,470 --> 01:50:23,590 with it you know I just couldn't do it 2404 01:50:32,100 --> 01:50:28,480 and I couldn't do it now let's let's 2405 01:50:35,970 --> 01:50:32,110 move into let's let's jump ten thousand 2406 01:50:38,750 --> 01:50:35,980 years you start to with chance and you 2407 01:50:42,030 --> 01:50:38,760 guys are going through the symbolism of 2408 01:50:44,550 --> 01:50:42,040 statues and entrances of different 2409 01:50:47,520 --> 01:50:44,560 temples and certainly you do cover Luxor 2410 01:50:49,860 --> 01:50:47,530 and others where this symbolism of 2411 01:50:52,800 --> 01:50:49,870 anatomy is right there it's right there 2412 01:50:56,160 --> 01:50:52,810 in front of you now think about how many 2413 01:51:00,720 --> 01:50:56,170 tourists Brad are walking past this all 2414 01:51:02,940 --> 01:51:00,730 day long and see feet right they see 2415 01:51:04,620 --> 01:51:02,950 shoulders they see heads they see a 2416 01:51:06,870 --> 01:51:04,630 statue they see somebody sitting they 2417 01:51:08,010 --> 01:51:06,880 see somebody's tan but they don't they 2418 01:51:12,120 --> 01:51:08,020 don't see 2419 01:51:14,880 --> 01:51:12,130 the symbolism of what is going on here 2420 01:51:16,200 --> 01:51:14,890 but now it is it it's right there it's 2421 01:51:18,810 --> 01:51:16,210 staring at you in the face 2422 01:51:25,680 --> 01:51:18,820 now take us through that and how you 2423 01:51:27,420 --> 01:51:25,690 started to see this too as well um well 2424 01:51:29,610 --> 01:51:27,430 that's funny to you like I when we were 2425 01:51:32,190 --> 01:51:29,620 in Egypt with John we we're at Luxor and 2426 01:51:34,500 --> 01:51:32,200 it was just swarming with as he's called 2427 01:51:37,230 --> 01:51:34,510 him drakul them just swarming with with 2428 01:51:38,640 --> 01:51:37,240 tourists and I came up to him I said I 2429 01:51:40,050 --> 01:51:38,650 think I figured out what the temple of 2430 01:51:41,550 --> 01:51:40,060 Luxor was Florida said I think they 2431 01:51:42,750 --> 01:51:41,560 built it for a backdrop for people's 2432 01:51:43,920 --> 01:51:42,760 photos because that's all it was is 2433 01:51:45,840 --> 01:51:43,930 people just taking pictures of 2434 01:51:47,070 --> 01:51:45,850 themselves with you know the Egyptian 2435 01:51:51,060 --> 01:51:47,080 temple behind it to go put on their 2436 01:51:53,310 --> 01:51:51,070 social media or something right but I 2437 01:51:54,840 --> 01:51:53,320 think it's the same thing I was saying 2438 01:51:58,050 --> 01:51:54,850 before with a lot with a lot of artwork 2439 01:51:59,280 --> 01:51:58,060 that is the chance and has been sort of 2440 01:52:01,170 --> 01:51:59,290 talking about this idea of didactic 2441 01:52:03,660 --> 01:52:01,180 artwork that there's artwork that is 2442 01:52:08,160 --> 01:52:03,670 teaching you something and that it's 2443 01:52:09,420 --> 01:52:08,170 conveying important its relaying 2444 01:52:11,550 --> 01:52:09,430 information it's not just something 2445 01:52:13,500 --> 01:52:11,560 pretty to look at you know and I always 2446 01:52:16,050 --> 01:52:13,510 used the chance I talked about this to 2447 01:52:17,310 --> 01:52:16,060 the idea of an owner's manual and I mean 2448 01:52:19,410 --> 01:52:17,320 if you imagine if your car broke down 2449 01:52:20,790 --> 01:52:19,420 and you pop up in the hood and you don't 2450 01:52:23,460 --> 01:52:20,800 know what to do and you go to get the 2451 01:52:27,900 --> 01:52:23,470 manual out of the glove box and it's 2452 01:52:30,210 --> 01:52:27,910 this cryptic 800 page poem but every 2453 01:52:32,160 --> 01:52:30,220 part of the car is you know being you 2454 01:52:33,600 --> 01:52:32,170 know and there's if it's all an allegory 2455 01:52:34,860 --> 01:52:33,610 for how the car works or it's some sort 2456 01:52:37,230 --> 01:52:34,870 of cryptic book of imagery like 2457 01:52:39,060 --> 01:52:37,240 alchemical imagery but every single it's 2458 01:52:41,220 --> 01:52:39,070 all relating to you know how the car 2459 01:52:42,660 --> 01:52:41,230 works and how the engine works that 2460 01:52:43,950 --> 01:52:42,670 would be confusing that most of us would 2461 01:52:45,600 --> 01:52:43,960 not make any sense like why wouldn't 2462 01:52:47,220 --> 01:52:45,610 just write down the information said 2463 01:52:49,010 --> 01:52:47,230 this is an this is how the car works why 2464 01:52:52,590 --> 01:52:49,020 are you giving me this cryptic artwork 2465 01:52:55,680 --> 01:52:52,600 so I I think it's one of the things that 2466 01:52:57,360 --> 01:52:55,690 we need to to address in the field is 2467 01:52:59,370 --> 01:52:57,370 that it's not just artwork for the sake 2468 01:53:01,710 --> 01:52:59,380 of making artworks its artwork for the 2469 01:53:03,660 --> 01:53:01,720 sake of relaying information and not 2470 01:53:05,880 --> 01:53:03,670 only that relaying information across 2471 01:53:07,680 --> 01:53:05,890 the barriers of language because you 2472 01:53:09,240 --> 01:53:07,690 need to speak you don't need to speak 2473 01:53:11,160 --> 01:53:09,250 Egyptian to look at some of that artwork 2474 01:53:15,210 --> 01:53:11,170 and have it affect you were to see what 2475 01:53:16,950 --> 01:53:15,220 it's saying and I think that is 2476 01:53:19,020 --> 01:53:16,960 something that hopefully we can convey 2477 01:53:21,000 --> 01:53:19,030 to this second round of this magical 2478 01:53:21,960 --> 01:53:21,010 Egypt series is that there's more to 2479 01:53:26,220 --> 01:53:21,970 artwork 2480 01:53:27,450 --> 01:53:26,230 just aesthetics and just decorating a 2481 01:53:29,700 --> 01:53:27,460 temple and just having these these 2482 01:53:31,500 --> 01:53:29,710 offerings to the gods and just saying 2483 01:53:33,150 --> 01:53:31,510 look we've made this temple of you and 2484 01:53:36,270 --> 01:53:33,160 the statue of you in hopes that you will 2485 01:53:38,880 --> 01:53:36,280 bring us food or do whatever this isn't 2486 01:53:41,190 --> 01:53:38,890 just the superstitions of the primitive 2487 01:53:42,900 --> 01:53:41,200 people this is this is the artwork of a 2488 01:53:47,070 --> 01:53:42,910 highly intelligent people who've been 2489 01:53:48,660 --> 01:53:47,080 able to encode information in symbol and 2490 01:53:49,920 --> 01:53:48,670 metaphor and do it in such a brilliant 2491 01:53:53,760 --> 01:53:49,930 way that we're still talking about it 2492 01:53:56,150 --> 01:53:53,770 today and you guys broke break down Abu 2493 01:54:00,600 --> 01:53:56,160 Simbel too as well 2494 01:54:02,610 --> 01:54:00,610 Abu Simbel yes I don't have anything 2495 01:54:04,440 --> 01:54:02,620 either symbiosis chance if there's 2496 01:54:07,020 --> 01:54:04,450 somebody else in the other control I 2497 01:54:10,980 --> 01:54:07,030 thought I thought it was you that that 2498 01:54:15,480 --> 01:54:10,990 broke it down when do you I just that 2499 01:54:17,910 --> 01:54:15,490 the the the the Ramses entrance there to 2500 01:54:24,180 --> 01:54:17,920 have a symbol just it's still to this 2501 01:54:28,530 --> 01:54:24,190 day freaks me out no no I didn't go with 2502 01:54:31,110 --> 01:54:28,540 John I know I did not I've you know I've 2503 01:54:33,390 --> 01:54:31,120 talked to John and and hung out with him 2504 01:54:36,030 --> 01:54:33,400 many times and discussed this for for 2505 01:54:39,240 --> 01:54:36,040 hours and hours and hours and hours but 2506 01:54:42,270 --> 01:54:39,250 no I never went he invited us to go 2507 01:54:45,330 --> 01:54:42,280 there every single year but we we never 2508 01:54:48,600 --> 01:54:45,340 went and I think chance said that the 2509 01:54:51,600 --> 01:54:48,610 other day in our in our thing on the 2510 01:54:54,240 --> 01:54:51,610 symposium but it blew past me so quick I 2511 01:54:56,670 --> 01:54:54,250 and I was talking and I thought to 2512 01:55:00,480 --> 01:54:56,680 myself did chance to say I went to Egypt 2513 01:55:03,360 --> 01:55:00,490 with with jaws but I forgot about that 2514 01:55:08,520 --> 01:55:03,370 no I did not go we were yeah we're gonna 2515 01:55:13,340 --> 01:55:08,530 go to Egypt next year but back to Luxor 2516 01:55:15,840 --> 01:55:13,350 and and you going up to John it was that 2517 01:55:21,150 --> 01:55:15,850 was that when it started to all come 2518 01:55:24,120 --> 01:55:21,160 together yeah I mean getting to getting 2519 01:55:25,560 --> 01:55:24,130 to go be in those I think one of the 2520 01:55:27,780 --> 01:55:25,570 places were to actually things started 2521 01:55:30,300 --> 01:55:27,790 they're really kind of make some sort of 2522 01:55:32,190 --> 01:55:30,310 not sense but make me realize that there 2523 01:55:34,170 --> 01:55:32,200 was something else going on was said 2524 01:55:34,830 --> 01:55:34,180 he's the first temple of Abydos that 2525 01:55:37,530 --> 01:55:34,840 that 2526 01:55:42,120 --> 01:55:37,540 sample is amazing it has some of the 2527 01:55:43,740 --> 01:55:42,130 most like still color the color on the 2528 01:55:45,300 --> 01:55:43,750 hieroglyphs there's still there's still 2529 01:55:46,830 --> 01:55:45,310 a fair amount of this you can still get 2530 01:55:47,820 --> 01:55:46,840 to get kind of a glimpse of what they 2531 01:55:49,680 --> 01:55:47,830 would have looked like but then it's 2532 01:55:51,240 --> 01:55:49,690 just it's this really elaborate carving 2533 01:55:52,350 --> 01:55:51,250 to where it sits relief carving the 2534 01:55:55,950 --> 01:55:52,360 hieroglyphs are not carved the other 2535 01:55:57,000 --> 01:55:55,960 cards off the wall and that place when 2536 01:55:58,919 --> 01:55:57,010 you're looking at the imagery and the 2537 01:56:01,020 --> 01:55:58,929 high bus and there that the whole time I 2538 01:56:02,609 --> 01:56:01,030 kept thinking like I this seems like a 2539 01:56:05,100 --> 01:56:02,619 mystery school to me I couldn't put my 2540 01:56:06,209 --> 01:56:05,110 finger on exactly why hey you know and 2541 01:56:08,310 --> 01:56:06,219 there's this times where I take my dog 2542 01:56:10,140 --> 01:56:08,320 for walks in the woods and I'll come out 2543 01:56:11,609 --> 01:56:10,150 of the woods and think like I've learned 2544 01:56:13,290 --> 01:56:11,619 something but I can't put my finger on 2545 01:56:14,310 --> 01:56:13,300 it and just through hanging out nature 2546 01:56:15,750 --> 01:56:14,320 and hanging out in the woods expects 2547 01:56:17,070 --> 01:56:15,760 some sort of information it's been given 2548 01:56:18,510 --> 01:56:17,080 to me but I couldn't tell you what it 2549 01:56:21,089 --> 01:56:18,520 was I just feel like I'm in the presence 2550 01:56:24,240 --> 01:56:21,099 of some sort of of information and it 2551 01:56:25,890 --> 01:56:24,250 steadies temple it that was just that 2552 01:56:27,510 --> 01:56:25,900 was happening a lot where I would love 2553 01:56:30,120 --> 01:56:27,520 to go back there and trying to try and 2554 01:56:31,859 --> 01:56:30,130 decipher those the hieroglyphs there and 2555 01:56:33,859 --> 01:56:31,869 the funny thing about SETI temple of 2556 01:56:36,270 --> 01:56:33,869 Abydos is that's where that famous 2557 01:56:37,859 --> 01:56:36,280 hieroglyph of like the landspeeder and 2558 01:56:39,899 --> 01:56:37,869 the helicopter and tank that everybody 2559 01:56:41,669 --> 01:56:39,909 talks about and that's up and some up on 2560 01:56:43,200 --> 01:56:41,679 the ceiling some talk to a saying and 2561 01:56:45,089 --> 01:56:43,210 everybody's interested in that thing and 2562 01:56:46,709 --> 01:56:45,099 go that's nothing 2563 01:56:47,910 --> 01:56:46,719 go look at the don't look at what's 2564 01:56:51,000 --> 01:56:47,920 happening on the walls around here 2565 01:56:53,910 --> 01:56:51,010 because it's crazy it's it there's just 2566 01:56:55,680 --> 01:56:53,920 so much interesting symbolism and what 2567 01:56:58,379 --> 01:56:55,690 seems to give these peculiar Egyptian 2568 01:57:00,479 --> 01:56:58,389 rich rules and that place is fascinating 2569 01:57:02,250 --> 01:57:00,489 and and and I think it was really at 2570 01:57:04,830 --> 01:57:02,260 every temple you go to though you 2571 01:57:08,089 --> 01:57:04,840 realize that these were not primitive 2572 01:57:11,839 --> 01:57:08,099 people this is a highly intelligent 2573 01:57:13,560 --> 01:57:11,849 tuned-in group of a group of people or 2574 01:57:15,750 --> 01:57:13,570 civilization of people or at least a 2575 01:57:17,339 --> 01:57:15,760 priest craft was an imagined in the same 2576 01:57:19,140 --> 01:57:17,349 way today that you know most of us don't 2577 01:57:20,790 --> 01:57:19,150 understand technology and high level 2578 01:57:22,410 --> 01:57:20,800 mathematics in physics but we get to use 2579 01:57:24,270 --> 01:57:22,420 it I think the same was probably true in 2580 01:57:26,879 --> 01:57:24,280 Egypt that it was the priests craft that 2581 01:57:28,260 --> 01:57:26,889 was really the super intelligent group 2582 01:57:30,149 --> 01:57:28,270 of people that were the architects and 2583 01:57:32,910 --> 01:57:30,159 the builders and the sages and the 2584 01:57:35,220 --> 01:57:32,920 philosophers yeah and there's we gotta 2585 01:57:37,589 --> 01:57:35,230 take a break right here but when we talk 2586 01:57:38,490 --> 01:57:37,599 about the temple of seti the first in 2587 01:57:45,060 --> 01:57:38,500 Abydos 2588 01:57:48,660 --> 01:57:45,070 it's one thing to carve into stone yeah 2589 01:57:52,479 --> 01:57:48,670 it's another thing to do it in relief 2590 01:57:55,060 --> 01:57:52,489 it's crazy and anybody anybody go try 2591 01:57:59,140 --> 01:57:55,070 and carve I take a piece of stone and 2592 01:58:00,430 --> 01:57:59,150 trying to cut anything into it it's it 2593 01:58:02,020 --> 01:58:00,440 everything is crazy about the 2594 01:58:03,100 --> 01:58:02,030 hieroglyphs too not even just the relief 2595 01:58:05,320 --> 01:58:03,110 ones even the ones they're carved with 2596 01:58:06,580 --> 01:58:05,330 it into it they don't ever slant like 2597 01:58:07,840 --> 01:58:06,590 when you write on a piece of paper and 2598 01:58:09,430 --> 01:58:07,850 the line studs go and crooked like 2599 01:58:10,930 --> 01:58:09,440 they're perfect the precision they're 2600 01:58:12,130 --> 01:58:10,940 the the whole thing and if you go to 2601 01:58:14,080 --> 01:58:12,140 Dondarrion which is probably one of the 2602 01:58:16,959 --> 01:58:14,090 most verbose temples there is as far as 2603 01:58:19,090 --> 01:58:16,969 higher let's go it's it's a it's a 2604 01:58:20,800 --> 01:58:19,100 masterpiece it's just it's crazy how 2605 01:58:22,810 --> 01:58:20,810 from floor to ceiling just for the 2606 01:58:24,280 --> 01:58:22,820 ceiling floor to ceiling and when we say 2607 01:58:26,890 --> 01:58:24,290 floor to ceiling we're also talking 2608 01:58:30,700 --> 01:58:26,900 about three or four stories of walls 2609 01:58:33,520 --> 01:58:30,710 yeah okay it's not eight feet right 2610 01:58:36,220 --> 01:58:33,530 these columns are 50 feet and they're 2611 01:58:41,080 --> 01:58:36,230 they're carved from top to bottom and 2612 01:58:44,830 --> 01:58:41,090 and what they're what all the way to the 2613 01:58:46,209 --> 01:58:44,840 ceiling and a cross it's unbelievable 2614 01:58:48,640 --> 01:58:46,219 let's take a break right here Brad 2615 01:58:51,160 --> 01:58:48,650 fascinating conversation this is fade to 2616 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02:03:04,760 --> 02:03:02,280 two no smartphone app or Internet needed 2716 02:03:07,340 --> 02:03:04,770 it saves your data plan and no extra 2717 02:03:10,190 --> 02:03:07,350 cost if you have unlimited minutes just 2718 02:03:12,470 --> 02:03:10,200 call six oh five five six two four four 2719 02:03:15,050 --> 02:03:12,480 eight two you can listen to me Jimmy 2720 02:03:21,890 --> 02:03:15,060 Church on any phone anytime anywhere 2721 02:03:25,950 --> 02:03:23,590 [Music] 2722 02:03:30,670 --> 02:03:25,960 [Applause] 2723 02:03:33,300 --> 02:03:30,680 you wanna know a secret I love ponies I 2724 02:03:35,920 --> 02:03:33,310 really love ponies I'm serious I 2725 02:03:40,180 --> 02:03:35,930 couldn't stay sane without Pony mr. 2726 02:03:45,050 --> 02:03:40,190 Brooks I fade to black because you never 2727 02:03:49,050 --> 02:03:47,130 this is fade to black 2728 02:03:52,740 --> 02:03:49,060 with Jimmy Church on the game changer 2729 02:03:55,100 --> 02:03:52,750 radio network and kgr a the global radio 2730 02:04:06,570 --> 02:03:55,110 alliance 2731 02:04:12,580 --> 02:04:08,770 welcome back paid the black house to 2732 02:04:14,320 --> 02:04:12,590 meet church night three of our Egypt 2733 02:04:17,910 --> 02:04:14,330 week here on beta black our guest 2734 02:04:20,320 --> 02:04:17,920 tonight artist and Brad Claussen is here 2735 02:04:23,950 --> 02:04:20,330 you're gonna continue where we left off 2736 02:04:26,860 --> 02:04:23,960 and actually Brad I want to talk about 2737 02:04:29,709 --> 02:04:26,870 you and your artwork and and the 2738 02:04:31,270 --> 02:04:29,719 influences that are there now but this 2739 02:04:35,379 --> 02:04:31,280 is what is interesting I'm holding up 2740 02:04:38,370 --> 02:04:35,389 for the camera here for everybody this 2741 02:04:41,470 --> 02:04:38,380 is a piece of sculpture that I have it's 2742 02:04:43,959 --> 02:04:41,480 Egyptian and it was removed from a tomb 2743 02:04:46,810 --> 02:04:43,969 and here it is it's mounted it's heavy 2744 02:04:48,250 --> 02:04:46,820 good thing weighs I don't know I don't 2745 02:04:51,189 --> 02:04:48,260 know what this weighs but it's got to be 2746 02:04:56,070 --> 02:04:51,199 ten pounds right doesn't look very big 2747 02:04:59,860 --> 02:04:56,080 but it's it's it's very heavy anyway I 2748 02:05:02,590 --> 02:04:59,870 bought this Brad because it looks cool 2749 02:05:06,970 --> 02:05:02,600 there's a cartouche on it on one side 2750 02:05:09,669 --> 02:05:06,980 but there's a pharaoh or queen seated 2751 02:05:11,979 --> 02:05:09,679 and on the other side there's a pharaoh 2752 02:05:16,149 --> 02:05:11,989 and a queen facing each other and it's 2753 02:05:20,290 --> 02:05:16,159 very very but i have no idea what it is 2754 02:05:22,840 --> 02:05:20,300 right I have no idea what it says I've 2755 02:05:24,610 --> 02:05:22,850 never had it translated I've looked at 2756 02:05:26,200 --> 02:05:24,620 the cartouche and compared it to others 2757 02:05:27,760 --> 02:05:26,210 and I've never been able to figure it 2758 02:05:30,100 --> 02:05:27,770 out I'll hold it up to the camera you 2759 02:05:31,990 --> 02:05:30,110 can see the cartouche right there 2760 02:05:35,290 --> 02:05:32,000 alright maybe somebody out there can 2761 02:05:38,260 --> 02:05:35,300 figure it out but I bought it because it 2762 02:05:42,280 --> 02:05:38,270 looks amazing and it sits here in the 2763 02:05:44,709 --> 02:05:42,290 bunker most and if we go back to like 2764 02:05:47,280 --> 02:05:44,719 the Roaring Twenties when Egyptian art 2765 02:05:50,470 --> 02:05:47,290 went across fashion right it was 2766 02:05:52,720 --> 02:05:50,480 everywhere but nobody knew what it meant 2767 02:05:57,570 --> 02:05:52,730 nobody cared they did it because it 2768 02:06:00,580 --> 02:05:57,580 looks cool right you dig what I'm saying 2769 02:06:03,700 --> 02:06:00,590 yeah and and and nobody knows and I have 2770 02:06:05,399 --> 02:06:03,710 this here because it looks cool I have 2771 02:06:08,050 --> 02:06:05,409 no idea this could have some crazy 2772 02:06:11,470 --> 02:06:08,060 spelled attached to it I wouldn't even 2773 02:06:16,600 --> 02:06:11,480 know some kind of activation when you 2774 02:06:19,010 --> 02:06:16,610 look at it but but that today like with 2775 02:06:21,620 --> 02:06:19,020 your artwork 2776 02:06:24,890 --> 02:06:21,630 and you're incorporating Egyptian 2777 02:06:26,990 --> 02:06:24,900 influences into it are you do you 2778 02:06:31,610 --> 02:06:27,000 consider the symbolism or is it because 2779 02:06:33,380 --> 02:06:31,620 it just looks cool I think there's some 2780 02:06:35,390 --> 02:06:33,390 some of both you know what I mean I 2781 02:06:37,729 --> 02:06:35,400 think that's one of the things that is 2782 02:06:39,890 --> 02:06:37,739 so interesting about those the ramp 2783 02:06:41,270 --> 02:06:39,900 Sphinx is at Karnak and it's thing that 2784 02:06:43,640 --> 02:06:41,280 probably drew me to them when I was 2785 02:06:45,290 --> 02:06:43,650 there is that they're just cool okay if 2786 02:06:46,940 --> 02:06:45,300 I'm from a graphic design point of view 2787 02:06:48,830 --> 02:06:46,950 they're just they're just interesting 2788 02:06:50,570 --> 02:06:48,840 you know do they always and plus when 2789 02:06:52,220 --> 02:06:50,580 you go into Karnak I don't think they're 2790 02:06:53,510 --> 02:06:52,230 set up the way that they would be in the 2791 02:06:55,400 --> 02:06:53,520 avenue of sphinxes but they're all just 2792 02:06:57,140 --> 02:06:55,410 kind of they've got them all side by 2793 02:06:59,930 --> 02:06:57,150 side so you get to see you know 30 of 2794 02:07:01,130 --> 02:06:59,940 them all the way and they're just from 2795 02:07:02,720 --> 02:07:01,140 the graphic design point of view it's 2796 02:07:03,950 --> 02:07:02,730 just it's cool they're just it's just 2797 02:07:05,780 --> 02:07:03,960 you know it looks like it should be in 2798 02:07:07,520 --> 02:07:05,790 like Voltron or something you know and 2799 02:07:11,620 --> 02:07:07,530 all those ramps fences are gonna get up 2800 02:07:16,970 --> 02:07:14,210 there is some of that too though is that 2801 02:07:19,250 --> 02:07:16,980 you know any good artwork you want you 2802 02:07:21,380 --> 02:07:19,260 want it to be like even chance where the 2803 02:07:22,940 --> 02:07:21,390 second round is magically - - he's got a 2804 02:07:24,560 --> 02:07:22,950 lot of information that he wants to 2805 02:07:26,390 --> 02:07:24,570 convey and put out there but he also 2806 02:07:28,250 --> 02:07:26,400 wants it to look cool I can affirm her 2807 02:07:30,530 --> 02:07:28,260 from from an artist standpoint you also 2808 02:07:33,200 --> 02:07:30,540 want it to be pleasing and to be you 2809 02:07:34,370 --> 02:07:33,210 know so that that's so that that's 2810 02:07:36,380 --> 02:07:34,380 really what you're doing you're drawing 2811 02:07:37,640 --> 02:07:36,390 people into through look at how 2812 02:07:39,200 --> 02:07:37,650 interesting this is and not only that 2813 02:07:41,240 --> 02:07:39,210 look at how for some reason if the 2814 02:07:43,880 --> 02:07:41,250 proportions are done right you're gonna 2815 02:07:45,770 --> 02:07:43,890 be drawn to it naturally anyway I mean 2816 02:07:49,100 --> 02:07:45,780 the whole idea that beauty is in the eye 2817 02:07:51,110 --> 02:07:49,110 of the beholder is somewhat true but we 2818 02:07:53,300 --> 02:07:51,120 all recognize beauty we all recognize 2819 02:07:54,830 --> 02:07:53,310 you know cemetry as being as being 2820 02:07:56,630 --> 02:07:54,840 beautiful and there's things sure where 2821 02:07:58,220 --> 02:07:56,640 you can say there's a symmetry and these 2822 02:08:01,130 --> 02:07:58,230 things can be beautiful but there's a 2823 02:08:02,930 --> 02:08:01,140 reason why you know Brad Pitt and 2824 02:08:04,820 --> 02:08:02,940 Angelina Jolie are considered beautiful 2825 02:08:06,790 --> 02:08:04,830 people they may not be your cup of tea 2826 02:08:09,140 --> 02:08:06,800 but the proportions of their face are 2827 02:08:11,690 --> 02:08:09,150 pretty closer than you know 2828 02:08:15,979 --> 02:08:11,700 sacred geometry and balance and symmetry 2829 02:08:17,630 --> 02:08:15,989 and we all respond to beauty it's a 2830 02:08:19,010 --> 02:08:17,640 really interesting thing about being a 2831 02:08:21,050 --> 02:08:19,020 human being but how that we respond to 2832 02:08:22,550 --> 02:08:21,060 these proportions and respond to that 2833 02:08:24,680 --> 02:08:22,560 the golden ratio and those things for 2834 02:08:28,490 --> 02:08:24,690 some reason and our brain is dialed into 2835 02:08:30,830 --> 02:08:28,500 that and it looks appealing more so like 2836 02:08:32,240 --> 02:08:30,840 anybody can you can look at something 2837 02:08:34,250 --> 02:08:32,250 that's discordant and 2838 02:08:35,660 --> 02:08:34,260 and and displeasing and then you can 2839 02:08:37,460 --> 02:08:35,670 look at something that's very neat and 2840 02:08:39,920 --> 02:08:37,470 very clean and very symmetrical and you 2841 02:08:42,950 --> 02:08:39,930 even if it's not your style per se you 2842 02:08:45,380 --> 02:08:42,960 can see that there's there's something 2843 02:08:49,730 --> 02:08:45,390 about it that you're drawn to it so that 2844 02:08:51,290 --> 02:08:49,740 the ability to incorporate you know the 2845 02:08:53,390 --> 02:08:51,300 golden ratio and sipping ahh-choo 2846 02:08:55,550 --> 02:08:53,400 sequences and these mathematical 2847 02:08:59,150 --> 02:08:55,560 principles that seems to underlie so 2848 02:09:01,070 --> 02:08:59,160 much of our physical world and and and 2849 02:09:04,010 --> 02:09:01,080 at the same time then to incorporate 2850 02:09:08,330 --> 02:09:04,020 imagery and to incorporate messages and 2851 02:09:10,340 --> 02:09:08,340 information it's sort of a definition of 2852 02:09:12,350 --> 02:09:10,350 a in my opinion about like a masterpiece 2853 02:09:13,910 --> 02:09:12,360 work of art it's not just you know cool 2854 02:09:15,260 --> 02:09:13,920 painting in your hotel room it's like oh 2855 02:09:17,180 --> 02:09:15,270 that's I like the color fields and that 2856 02:09:19,370 --> 02:09:17,190 makes this wall look interesting it's 2857 02:09:21,620 --> 02:09:19,380 it's beautiful to look at at the same 2858 02:09:24,290 --> 02:09:21,630 time it's working on multiple levels and 2859 02:09:26,210 --> 02:09:24,300 I think that's what any good artwork 2860 02:09:30,620 --> 02:09:26,220 should do is it should it should speak 2861 02:09:35,120 --> 02:09:30,630 on a variety of different dimensions do 2862 02:09:39,380 --> 02:09:35,130 you have a favorite a favorite 2863 02:09:41,150 --> 02:09:39,390 symbol if you will of Egyptian artwork 2864 02:09:45,350 --> 02:09:41,160 that you'd like to incorporate whether 2865 02:09:48,860 --> 02:09:45,360 it's a pyramid or or Sphinx or the you 2866 02:09:51,020 --> 02:09:48,870 know the Eye of Horus or or what have 2867 02:09:55,130 --> 02:09:51,030 you do or the you know the Scarab for 2868 02:09:57,080 --> 02:09:55,140 instance I do I use the symbol that I go 2869 02:09:59,450 --> 02:09:57,090 to all the time and it's almost by this 2870 02:10:01,580 --> 02:09:59,460 time I realize like I'm subconsciously 2871 02:10:04,370 --> 02:10:01,590 analogous to I it's not just the eye of 2872 02:10:08,180 --> 02:10:04,380 horus but just the idea of the eye I 2873 02:10:10,760 --> 02:10:08,190 mean as a visual artist but that's you 2874 02:10:13,070 --> 02:10:10,770 know it's sort of my my thing right it's 2875 02:10:16,100 --> 02:10:13,080 having to see and use my imagination and 2876 02:10:19,010 --> 02:10:16,110 so I I go to that symbol all the time 2877 02:10:21,080 --> 02:10:19,020 and I'll say this is the interesting 2878 02:10:22,730 --> 02:10:21,090 thing that we talk about these symbols 2879 02:10:24,140 --> 02:10:22,740 of pop culture and stuff like that and 2880 02:10:26,660 --> 02:10:24,150 there's all this talk in this sort of 2881 02:10:28,340 --> 02:10:26,670 conspiracy community that in music and 2882 02:10:29,660 --> 02:10:28,350 entertainment there's all these esoteric 2883 02:10:31,340 --> 02:10:29,670 symbols and these are called cymbals 2884 02:10:32,450 --> 02:10:31,350 that the people are using and they're 2885 02:10:35,060 --> 02:10:32,460 and they're using them in a nefarious 2886 02:10:39,380 --> 02:10:35,070 sort of way to show you you know evil or 2887 02:10:40,310 --> 02:10:39,390 darkness and I have and all the artwork 2888 02:10:42,470 --> 02:10:40,320 that I've done where I've incorporated 2889 02:10:44,450 --> 02:10:42,480 the symbol of our any sort of esoteric 2890 02:10:45,860 --> 02:10:44,460 or occult symbolism no one has ever 2891 02:10:49,940 --> 02:10:45,870 asked me to do that 2892 02:10:51,860 --> 02:10:49,950 management company or record label no 2893 02:10:53,930 --> 02:10:51,870 one has ever once said hey can you throw 2894 02:10:55,100 --> 02:10:53,940 in this Freemasonry symbol I can you 2895 02:10:59,450 --> 02:10:55,110 throw in this and I think that's all 2896 02:11:00,920 --> 02:10:59,460 been my own decision to do that and no 2897 02:11:02,780 --> 02:11:00,930 one just said stop doing it either no 2898 02:11:04,400 --> 02:11:02,790 one's ever said by a man to stop putting 2899 02:11:08,900 --> 02:11:04,410 those you know Illuminati all-seeing 2900 02:11:12,320 --> 02:11:08,910 eyes in our question have you ever had 2901 02:11:14,390 --> 02:11:12,330 any blowback have yet you know you know 2902 02:11:16,010 --> 02:11:14,400 Pearl Jam or a band come to you going 2903 02:11:20,720 --> 02:11:16,020 you know what member being accused of 2904 02:11:22,400 --> 02:11:20,730 being you know right oh I keep expecting 2905 02:11:24,290 --> 02:11:22,410 someone to be like hey we didn't ask for 2906 02:11:26,120 --> 02:11:24,300 that why you know you're doing this 2907 02:11:27,830 --> 02:11:26,130 stuff and it the thing that's ice and 2908 02:11:29,180 --> 02:11:27,840 someone who's pays attention to symbols 2909 02:11:30,950 --> 02:11:29,190 and stuff I see all the same stuff that 2910 02:11:33,050 --> 02:11:30,960 everybody else sees I see the you know 2911 02:11:35,450 --> 02:11:33,060 Katy Perry video with you know Egyptian 2912 02:11:37,880 --> 02:11:35,460 symbology I see jay-z Bowl halftime 2913 02:11:41,630 --> 02:11:37,890 shows I see jay-z I see all of that 2914 02:11:44,510 --> 02:11:41,640 stuff I can't speak to that part of the 2915 02:11:45,710 --> 02:11:44,520 music industry because for one when when 2916 02:11:47,060 --> 02:11:45,720 I started working for Pearl Jam they 2917 02:11:49,130 --> 02:11:47,070 were when they were working they were on 2918 02:11:50,870 --> 02:11:49,140 Sony they're on Epic and they got just 2919 02:11:52,820 --> 02:11:50,880 tremendous freedom from a record label 2920 02:11:53,870 --> 02:11:52,830 to create all their own artwork so when 2921 02:11:54,980 --> 02:11:53,880 I started working there we could do 2922 02:11:56,450 --> 02:11:54,990 whatever you know we need whoever we 2923 02:11:57,800 --> 02:11:56,460 wanted to there was no record label 2924 02:12:02,720 --> 02:11:57,810 saying nope you got to do this and got 2925 02:12:05,390 --> 02:12:02,730 to do that so I can't speak to the other 2926 02:12:06,740 --> 02:12:05,400 side of the music industry or the sort 2927 02:12:08,540 --> 02:12:06,750 of executive side of it where there's 2928 02:12:09,860 --> 02:12:08,550 record labels and these people that 2929 02:12:13,670 --> 02:12:09,870 maybe are having that finger and things 2930 02:12:14,630 --> 02:12:13,680 more than they should because everything 2931 02:12:15,770 --> 02:12:14,640 that I've been involved and that's never 2932 02:12:17,900 --> 02:12:15,780 been a part of it so whenever I 2933 02:12:20,270 --> 02:12:17,910 incorporate symbology it's me doing that 2934 02:12:22,010 --> 02:12:20,280 there's times I wonder like I shouldn't 2935 02:12:23,390 --> 02:12:22,020 be associating the band with this symbol 2936 02:12:26,510 --> 02:12:23,400 because they maybe don't want it you 2937 02:12:29,120 --> 02:12:26,520 know but it's my effort to try and 2938 02:12:31,580 --> 02:12:29,130 reclaim these some of these symbols away 2939 02:12:34,450 --> 02:12:31,590 from this sort of boogeyman symbology 2940 02:12:38,780 --> 02:12:34,460 and away from this darkness and and and 2941 02:12:39,890 --> 02:12:38,790 reclaim the truth that they contain you 2942 02:12:43,850 --> 02:12:39,900 know and I always think that the best 2943 02:12:45,590 --> 02:12:43,860 way to keep people away from truth is to 2944 02:12:47,000 --> 02:12:45,600 put them on wild goose chases and so you 2945 02:12:49,280 --> 02:12:47,010 know put boogeyman out there and to make 2946 02:12:50,960 --> 02:12:49,290 you thinks but the thing that is good 2947 02:12:52,880 --> 02:12:50,970 for you is dangerous and you should stay 2948 02:12:55,940 --> 02:12:52,890 away from it so in the same way that the 2949 02:12:57,980 --> 02:12:55,950 swastika got kind of hijacked by a group 2950 02:12:59,270 --> 02:12:57,990 of people in a small blink of time and 2951 02:12:59,780 --> 02:12:59,280 swastika I think the earliest when they 2952 02:13:01,910 --> 02:12:59,790 found this 2953 02:13:04,070 --> 02:13:01,920 12,000 years of 10,000 years that 2954 02:13:05,840 --> 02:13:04,080 symbols been around for forever but that 2955 02:13:08,030 --> 02:13:05,850 symbol is now forever embedded in the 2956 02:13:09,980 --> 02:13:08,040 psyche of humanity as being a symbol of 2957 02:13:11,390 --> 02:13:09,990 hatred and intolerance and as trosset II 2958 02:13:13,070 --> 02:13:11,400 and we're never that simple never going 2959 02:13:14,330 --> 02:13:13,080 to come back and I see the same thing 2960 02:13:17,540 --> 02:13:14,340 happening with the symbol of the high 2961 02:13:20,120 --> 02:13:17,550 that it's being tarnished and destroyed 2962 02:13:21,710 --> 02:13:20,130 by this small group of nefarious kind of 2963 02:13:23,300 --> 02:13:21,720 people or at least people that are 2964 02:13:25,100 --> 02:13:23,310 ignorant about what these symbols mean 2965 02:13:27,680 --> 02:13:25,110 and that they contain a great deal of 2966 02:13:29,360 --> 02:13:27,690 truth and we shouldn't just be willingly 2967 02:13:30,860 --> 02:13:29,370 giving them over to people and saying 2968 02:13:32,990 --> 02:13:30,870 that's very simple and it belongs to 2969 02:13:34,820 --> 02:13:33,000 them the owl owl is one of the symbols 2970 02:13:35,840 --> 02:13:34,830 that makes me the most obsessed I love 2971 02:13:38,270 --> 02:13:35,850 owls I've had a very interesting 2972 02:13:40,070 --> 02:13:38,280 experience with owls and whatever people 2973 02:13:41,780 --> 02:13:40,080 see a now my god that's the Union Grove 2974 02:13:43,670 --> 02:13:41,790 and that's the Illuminati and the owl 2975 02:13:45,860 --> 02:13:43,680 existed before any of those things 2976 02:13:47,750 --> 02:13:45,870 existed you know in native cultures 2977 02:13:49,520 --> 02:13:47,760 that's been a symbol in it you can't 2978 02:13:51,890 --> 02:13:49,530 just give it over to these people yeah 2979 02:13:54,620 --> 02:13:51,900 the Chicago Bulls don't own the bull we 2980 02:13:56,150 --> 02:13:54,630 have a symbol of the ball and so my 2981 02:13:57,680 --> 02:13:56,160 effort has always been to incorporate 2982 02:14:00,370 --> 02:13:57,690 these symbols and to kind of reclaim 2983 02:14:02,930 --> 02:14:00,380 them back to their their true sort of 2984 02:14:05,120 --> 02:14:02,940 meaning that they contain knowledge and 2985 02:14:06,560 --> 02:14:05,130 it has nothing to do with creating a 2986 02:14:08,960 --> 02:14:06,570 one-world government to make everybody 2987 02:14:11,960 --> 02:14:08,970 have one world currency and all be 2988 02:14:13,580 --> 02:14:11,970 slaves or there's there's real truths 2989 02:14:16,250 --> 02:14:13,590 and real information in these symbols 2990 02:14:18,020 --> 02:14:16,260 and obviously power structures don't 2991 02:14:19,580 --> 02:14:18,030 want us to have access to that so they 2992 02:14:21,200 --> 02:14:19,590 flip the script and they say yeah don't 2993 02:14:23,480 --> 02:14:21,210 look at that that's you know that's evil 2994 02:14:26,360 --> 02:14:23,490 and that's darkness stay away from it 2995 02:14:28,010 --> 02:14:26,370 and so for me it's more about giving 2996 02:14:29,600 --> 02:14:28,020 these symbols back to their rightful 2997 02:14:31,220 --> 02:14:29,610 place I'm not just saying I'd say these 2998 02:14:32,540 --> 02:14:31,230 people can have it they dragged it 2999 02:14:34,400 --> 02:14:32,550 through the mud so now it's theirs and 3000 02:14:36,050 --> 02:14:34,410 you don't get these symbols like they 3001 02:14:39,110 --> 02:14:36,060 belong to all of us and you I'm not 3002 02:14:40,940 --> 02:14:39,120 going to last one group for one supposed 3003 02:14:44,540 --> 02:14:40,950 group of people whatever they whether 3004 02:14:46,160 --> 02:14:44,550 they exist or not in the in the in the 3005 02:14:48,710 --> 02:14:46,170 psyche of humanity I'm not gonna I don't 3006 02:14:50,150 --> 02:14:48,720 want them to take it anymore like these 3007 02:14:52,220 --> 02:14:50,160 symbols belong to all of us you know 3008 02:14:55,310 --> 02:14:52,230 that there's almost a birthright in a 3009 02:14:58,010 --> 02:14:55,320 sense well we we can't help and 3010 02:15:01,670 --> 02:14:58,020 certainly if we understand symbolism in 3011 02:15:03,950 --> 02:15:01,680 in most forms we see it everywhere 3012 02:15:07,220 --> 02:15:03,960 Rita and I went down to San Diego a 3013 02:15:08,660 --> 02:15:07,230 couple of weeks ago and we are we were 3014 02:15:12,410 --> 02:15:08,670 staying on this golf course 3015 02:15:15,819 --> 02:15:12,420 and one of the houses that was there 3016 02:15:19,819 --> 02:15:15,829 we look and on the back of the house are 3017 02:15:22,819 --> 02:15:19,829 two giant owl statues on this balcony 3018 02:15:26,419 --> 02:15:22,829 probably three feet tall right gorgeous 3019 02:15:30,459 --> 02:15:26,429 now I'm going straight there okay 3020 02:15:32,540 --> 02:15:30,469 obviously the whoever owns that house 3021 02:15:34,819 --> 02:15:32,550 understands what's going on they've got 3022 02:15:38,419 --> 02:15:34,829 these two giant owl statues on the back 3023 02:15:40,969 --> 02:15:38,429 of the house facing the backyard Wow was 3024 02:15:42,169 --> 02:15:40,979 staring at if they have a party you know 3025 02:15:47,270 --> 02:15:42,179 I'm thinking all kinds of crazy stuff 3026 02:15:50,479 --> 02:15:47,280 right and and then the owner says to us 3027 02:15:53,959 --> 02:15:50,489 no the owls are there because the owner 3028 02:15:56,060 --> 02:15:53,969 doesn't like birds in his backyard so he 3029 02:15:59,540 --> 02:15:56,070 said the house tattoos there to scare 3030 02:16:01,040 --> 02:15:59,550 away the birds telling you really making 3031 02:16:02,899 --> 02:16:01,050 sacrifices some Mohawks 3032 02:16:04,819 --> 02:16:02,909 you're not right right right right right 3033 02:16:08,390 --> 02:16:04,829 right I'm just like ah come on 3034 02:16:10,189 --> 02:16:08,400 right but I have a I have a little 3035 02:16:12,259 --> 02:16:10,199 garden statue of an owl and sitting it's 3036 02:16:14,660 --> 02:16:12,269 in the imagination series there's a that 3037 02:16:17,120 --> 02:16:14,670 they use it as biro we show it and I 3038 02:16:18,919 --> 02:16:17,130 call it Sophia that owl to me is a 3039 02:16:20,719 --> 02:16:18,929 symbol for wisdom the whole idea of owls 3040 02:16:22,549 --> 02:16:20,729 being able to see in the dark you know 3041 02:16:24,140 --> 02:16:22,559 it's this idea that they're able to see 3042 02:16:26,689 --> 02:16:24,150 things that other people can't in some 3043 02:16:28,189 --> 02:16:26,699 cultures they I was yeah Sinai's an omen 3044 02:16:29,299 --> 02:16:28,199 of death and people would think that if 3045 02:16:30,830 --> 02:16:29,309 an owl show that that meant that 3046 02:16:33,200 --> 02:16:30,840 somebody was going to die and it so it 3047 02:16:35,719 --> 02:16:33,210 depends on where you know where you find 3048 02:16:38,240 --> 02:16:35,729 the mean it's given to it but to me this 3049 02:16:39,799 --> 02:16:38,250 they do the whole idea of the wise old 3050 02:16:41,209 --> 02:16:39,809 owl that's what that's yeah and the 3051 02:16:42,620 --> 02:16:41,219 fighting is that I have two of them I 3052 02:16:43,969 --> 02:16:42,630 have a white house that you want to have 3053 02:16:45,290 --> 02:16:43,979 a black out of stash and the white ones 3054 02:16:47,150 --> 02:16:45,300 outside and the black ones sitting on my 3055 02:16:48,410 --> 02:16:47,160 desk and I knew when filming the magic 3056 02:16:50,450 --> 02:16:48,420 with Egypt stuff I had to take that 3057 02:16:55,070 --> 02:16:50,460 black eye off my desk otherwise the same 3058 02:16:58,009 --> 02:16:55,080 everyone's gonna look you know now he's 3059 02:16:59,570 --> 02:16:58,019 one of them you know and it I get so 3060 02:17:01,639 --> 02:16:59,580 upset because I have such reverence for 3061 02:17:03,559 --> 02:17:01,649 owls I was and I always want to stick up 3062 02:17:06,820 --> 02:17:03,569 for my our friends and be like they 3063 02:17:09,290 --> 02:17:06,830 don't own that simple hey you know all I 3064 02:17:11,059 --> 02:17:09,300 and the whole idea of Big Brother the 3065 02:17:12,860 --> 02:17:11,069 whole idea it's a perfect symbol for an 3066 02:17:14,509 --> 02:17:12,870 eye on top of a pyramid because we live 3067 02:17:16,129 --> 02:17:14,519 in a world where the 1% has all the 3068 02:17:17,929 --> 02:17:16,139 money and it is a pyramid scheme and 3069 02:17:19,459 --> 02:17:17,939 because the NSA they're all looking into 3070 02:17:21,589 --> 02:17:19,469 everything that we do it's a fitting 3071 02:17:23,240 --> 02:17:21,599 symbol but that idea of Big Brother 3072 02:17:25,791 --> 02:17:23,250 only came out in nineteen the book of 3073 02:17:29,121 --> 02:17:25,801 1984 what like the fifties what did 1984 3074 02:17:31,970 --> 02:17:29,131 that's a very new you know kind of idea 3075 02:17:33,621 --> 02:17:31,980 to that symbol that's been existing for 3076 02:17:36,140 --> 02:17:33,631 forever that's been a symbol for the eye 3077 02:17:38,060 --> 02:17:36,150 of God I have Providence and you know 3078 02:17:39,680 --> 02:17:38,070 just slip it in China and now it's the 3079 02:17:42,081 --> 02:17:39,690 eye of you know the NSA and Big Brother 3080 02:17:45,460 --> 02:17:42,091 look well you can track of all of our 3081 02:17:48,530 --> 02:17:45,470 text messages but does it change the 3082 02:17:53,241 --> 02:17:48,540 meaning of the symbol or its influence 3083 02:17:55,520 --> 02:17:53,251 or its effect on the individual if if if 3084 02:17:57,201 --> 02:17:55,530 it's explained that way I don't think it 3085 02:17:59,780 --> 02:17:57,211 does all right let me give you another 3086 02:18:02,331 --> 02:17:59,790 example I mean once it's there the 3087 02:18:05,960 --> 02:18:02,341 meaning is individual right and it's an 3088 02:18:08,000 --> 02:18:05,970 emotional connection sure yeah and I 3089 02:18:09,741 --> 02:18:08,010 think to me that's sort of the that's 3090 02:18:12,201 --> 02:18:09,751 sort of the the problem that I see 3091 02:18:15,980 --> 02:18:12,211 happening is I see these these symbols 3092 02:18:17,570 --> 02:18:15,990 being turned away from what there's 3093 02:18:19,610 --> 02:18:17,580 really real meaning in them and to me 3094 02:18:21,411 --> 02:18:19,620 that's if you get to put on my tinfoil 3095 02:18:23,331 --> 02:18:21,421 hat but that's really the way that power 3096 02:18:26,570 --> 02:18:23,341 stays and power is that right knowledge 3097 02:18:28,430 --> 02:18:26,580 knowledge is power and you can't destroy 3098 02:18:29,420 --> 02:18:28,440 a universal truth universal truth is 3099 02:18:31,310 --> 02:18:29,430 just for forever 3100 02:18:33,201 --> 02:18:31,320 but you can muddy the waters for how you 3101 02:18:36,020 --> 02:18:33,211 get to universal truths or how you get 3102 02:18:37,760 --> 02:18:36,030 to these answers and if along the 3103 02:18:41,000 --> 02:18:37,770 pathway you know did you ever see did 3104 02:18:43,250 --> 02:18:41,010 you see Black Panther yes the seeing 3105 02:18:44,960 --> 02:18:43,260 where what didn't kill monger takes like 3106 02:18:48,590 --> 02:18:44,970 the sacred plant he has the vision and 3107 02:18:50,720 --> 02:18:48,600 then he says burn them all yep that I 3108 02:18:52,491 --> 02:18:50,730 see a lot of that in the same idea about 3109 02:18:54,020 --> 02:18:52,501 Cyrus being dismembered in his parts 3110 02:18:56,121 --> 02:18:54,030 being scared I see the same idea that 3111 02:18:58,161 --> 02:18:56,131 you see the pathway to knowledge and you 3112 02:19:00,380 --> 02:18:58,171 in order for you to retain power you say 3113 02:19:01,970 --> 02:19:00,390 we need to need to destroy all this so 3114 02:19:04,340 --> 02:19:01,980 nobody can follow up the same way that I 3115 02:19:06,380 --> 02:19:04,350 came back to me that I came and so let's 3116 02:19:07,970 --> 02:19:06,390 let's muddy the waters and make a bunch 3117 02:19:10,250 --> 02:19:07,980 of log these chases and tell you that 3118 02:19:11,570 --> 02:19:10,260 you know everything that's good and 3119 02:19:14,411 --> 02:19:11,580 healthy for you is going to destroy you 3120 02:19:16,760 --> 02:19:14,421 and ruin you stay away from it III think 3121 02:19:18,320 --> 02:19:16,770 people are smart and figured out that 3122 02:19:19,911 --> 02:19:18,330 when they when they got to you know 3123 02:19:22,371 --> 02:19:19,921 maybe it's some person who wasn't 3124 02:19:23,930 --> 02:19:22,381 allowed into Plato's school or you know 3125 02:19:25,820 --> 02:19:23,940 wasn't somebody allowed into the mystery 3126 02:19:28,791 --> 02:19:25,830 school who had some sort of vendetta and 3127 02:19:30,920 --> 02:19:28,801 and and you know and said I'm gonna 3128 02:19:33,140 --> 02:19:30,930 rearrange these symbols and I'm going to 3129 02:19:35,020 --> 02:19:33,150 make it so that nobody can unseat my you 3130 02:19:37,130 --> 02:19:35,030 know unseat me from power because 3131 02:19:38,451 --> 02:19:37,140 anybody can look at this and figure out 3132 02:19:39,620 --> 02:19:38,461 the same things that we did right 3133 02:19:40,879 --> 02:19:39,630 anybody like that 3134 02:19:42,320 --> 02:19:40,889 kill manga anybody could take one of 3135 02:19:44,060 --> 02:19:42,330 these psychedelic plants and have the 3136 02:19:46,759 --> 02:19:44,070 same vision so let's make sure that no 3137 02:19:50,030 --> 02:19:46,769 one does that you know well I think it's 3138 02:19:52,880 --> 02:19:50,040 a real easy psychological tool to make 3139 02:19:54,260 --> 02:19:52,890 something truthful seem scary and to 3140 02:19:58,250 --> 02:19:54,270 tell you to not touch it and stay away 3141 02:20:02,810 --> 02:19:58,260 from it well exactly and three maybe 3142 02:20:05,950 --> 02:20:02,820 four years ago I do a show on owls okay 3143 02:20:10,250 --> 02:20:05,960 I do a show and I'll have the guest and 3144 02:20:13,310 --> 02:20:10,260 the next day Brad I'm not making up a 3145 02:20:17,150 --> 02:20:13,320 word of what I'm about to say to you so 3146 02:20:20,450 --> 02:20:17,160 I do this show on owls UFOs supernatural 3147 02:20:25,280 --> 02:20:20,460 connection parallel world you know it's 3148 02:20:28,820 --> 02:20:25,290 all there right so the next day Rita is 3149 02:20:33,650 --> 02:20:28,830 walking through a parking lot the next 3150 02:20:35,570 --> 02:20:33,660 day and down on the ground she finds in 3151 02:20:37,010 --> 02:20:35,580 the middle of this empty parking lot she 3152 02:20:39,139 --> 02:20:37,020 could have walked five feet to the right 3153 02:20:43,040 --> 02:20:39,149 five feet to the left right giant 3154 02:20:47,510 --> 02:20:43,050 parking lot she finds walks and step up 3155 02:20:55,000 --> 02:20:47,520 but comes upon a giant solid gold 3156 02:20:57,590 --> 02:20:55,010 antique owl ring with one with ruby eyes 3157 02:21:00,170 --> 02:20:57,600 she picks it up and it's solid gold 3158 02:21:03,320 --> 02:21:00,180 right and she's been it's an owl she 3159 02:21:05,990 --> 02:21:03,330 comes home and goes check this out 3160 02:21:09,980 --> 02:21:06,000 now and I'm talking about this as a 3161 02:21:15,020 --> 02:21:09,990 solid it's got weight to it this is a 3162 02:21:19,370 --> 02:21:15,030 gnarly heavy amazing custom-made owl 3163 02:21:20,990 --> 02:21:19,380 ring now she listened to the show the 3164 02:21:25,580 --> 02:21:21,000 night before we've been talking about 3165 02:21:27,290 --> 02:21:25,590 owls for 24 hours and then she walks 3166 02:21:29,990 --> 02:21:27,300 through a parking lot and finds an owl 3167 02:21:34,790 --> 02:21:30,000 ring now we haven't found and another 3168 02:21:40,550 --> 02:21:34,800 one we've added an owl encounter but now 3169 02:21:45,380 --> 02:21:40,560 I will suddenly have a meaning to us and 3170 02:21:47,570 --> 02:21:45,390 we are going to respect the owl and the 3171 02:21:49,520 --> 02:21:47,580 mythology behind it and we're gonna 3172 02:21:52,460 --> 02:21:49,530 start listening to when other people 3173 02:21:54,439 --> 02:21:52,470 speak about owls now what happens 3174 02:21:56,660 --> 02:21:54,449 everybody's talking about owls we here 3175 02:21:59,929 --> 02:21:56,670 owls and conversations we see it on TV 3176 02:22:02,170 --> 02:21:59,939 we see him fly he understand and a new 3177 02:22:03,679 --> 02:22:02,180 car 3178 02:22:05,929 --> 02:22:03,689 that's it 3179 02:22:08,510 --> 02:22:05,939 well I got to tell you that I have a 3180 02:22:11,179 --> 02:22:08,520 similar story I did a poster for a 2009 3181 02:22:13,880 --> 02:22:11,189 l j im7 thought so at the time I was 3182 02:22:15,170 --> 02:22:13,890 living in Wallingford in Seattle there's 3183 02:22:16,910 --> 02:22:15,180 a park right next to the settlers called 3184 02:22:18,319 --> 02:22:16,920 the Woodland Park Zoo in parks in 3185 02:22:20,090 --> 02:22:18,329 Seattle our forests and trails 3186 02:22:22,819 --> 02:22:20,100 exhausting like a blacktop and a swing 3187 02:22:24,349 --> 02:22:22,829 set and after I had done this poster 3188 02:22:26,719 --> 02:22:24,359 this owl the next day I went to over 3189 02:22:28,429 --> 02:22:26,729 taking my dog for a walk and an owl came 3190 02:22:30,290 --> 02:22:28,439 down and I was like I just drew you I 3191 02:22:32,479 --> 02:22:30,300 just I just threw that and so then I 3192 02:22:34,219 --> 02:22:32,489 kept going to that part that week right 3193 02:22:36,949 --> 02:22:34,229 around dusk to go look for more at holes 3194 02:22:38,420 --> 02:22:36,959 and I came across a couple who were 3195 02:22:39,889 --> 02:22:38,430 walking by petting their dogs and said 3196 02:22:41,120 --> 02:22:39,899 hey if you guys see any owls you should 3197 02:22:42,889 --> 02:22:41,130 keep your eyes them because I saw one 3198 02:22:44,210 --> 02:22:42,899 and as I'm saying that it flies right in 3199 02:22:46,340 --> 02:22:44,220 front of it and I go it's right there 3200 02:22:47,660 --> 02:22:46,350 and the couple present dollars were like 3201 02:22:50,870 --> 02:22:47,670 that was crazy it was like he called 3202 02:22:52,580 --> 02:22:50,880 that out here and I saw I was in that 3203 02:22:54,199 --> 02:22:52,590 park after that week for like a week and 3204 02:22:56,090 --> 02:22:54,209 ever since then I see them all the time 3205 02:22:57,979 --> 02:22:56,100 and fighting as we moved out to the 3206 02:22:59,630 --> 02:22:57,989 woods out here I thought I'd be seeing 3207 02:23:01,279 --> 02:22:59,640 him constantly it for like eight years I 3208 02:23:02,090 --> 02:23:01,289 hear him but I'd never see him right 3209 02:23:04,010 --> 02:23:02,100 final answer 3210 02:23:06,739 --> 02:23:04,020 I'm starting to see him more again but 3211 02:23:10,040 --> 02:23:06,749 same sort of thing I had talked to some 3212 02:23:12,229 --> 02:23:10,050 woman who's interested at Manly a calls 3213 02:23:13,880 --> 02:23:12,239 bookstore in LA the woman who works the 3214 02:23:16,189 --> 02:23:13,890 books are told of the story and she said 3215 02:23:17,840 --> 02:23:16,199 I said it's like I drew the owl into 3216 02:23:19,670 --> 02:23:17,850 into my life she talked about the 3217 02:23:21,620 --> 02:23:19,680 interesting wordplay of drawing like a 3218 02:23:25,939 --> 02:23:21,630 you know a dam for all its energy that 3219 02:23:27,800 --> 02:23:25,949 you know it's it's strange I guess every 3220 02:23:29,179 --> 02:23:27,810 time I see an owl it makes me think okay 3221 02:23:30,679 --> 02:23:29,189 whatever I'm thinking about right at 3222 02:23:31,939 --> 02:23:30,689 this moment I need to pay attention to 3223 02:23:35,179 --> 02:23:31,949 it's almost I almost feel like when I 3224 02:23:36,920 --> 02:23:35,189 see owls it's sort of the it is the 3225 02:23:37,880 --> 02:23:36,930 natural world telling me pay attention 3226 02:23:40,340 --> 02:23:37,890 to what you're thinking about right now 3227 02:23:41,870 --> 02:23:40,350 so I always and I've had just a bunch of 3228 02:23:43,670 --> 02:23:41,880 really cool encounters with them but I 3229 02:23:45,469 --> 02:23:43,680 go looking for him at dusk so it's not 3230 02:23:48,800 --> 02:23:45,479 surprising gun you and Karen when you're 3231 02:23:52,519 --> 02:23:48,810 there you created right you create a 3232 02:23:54,620 --> 02:23:52,529 decidual and and and did yeah now has 3233 02:24:00,199 --> 02:23:54,630 that happened again now that you know 3234 02:24:03,590 --> 02:24:00,209 that this is a possibility have you done 3235 02:24:07,610 --> 02:24:03,600 another Brad Claussen sigil right 3236 02:24:09,380 --> 02:24:07,620 it's my life not why not necessarily 3237 02:24:11,870 --> 02:24:09,390 intentionally but I do think that 3238 02:24:13,550 --> 02:24:11,880 through incorporating these esoteric 3239 02:24:16,250 --> 02:24:13,560 symbols that deal with the higher states 3240 02:24:18,650 --> 02:24:16,260 of consciousness and and and and altars 3241 02:24:20,600 --> 02:24:18,660 in the higher states of knowing I do 3242 02:24:22,610 --> 02:24:20,610 feel like through sitting down and 3243 02:24:24,380 --> 02:24:22,620 spending all this time on the 3244 02:24:27,110 --> 02:24:24,390 illustrations about that subject and 3245 02:24:29,060 --> 02:24:27,120 looking at the images that it is 3246 02:24:30,680 --> 02:24:29,070 affecting me and prior to that I was 3247 02:24:32,000 --> 02:24:30,690 there was a point before I got into a 3248 02:24:33,440 --> 02:24:32,010 lot of this esoteric stuff and I would 3249 02:24:35,360 --> 02:24:33,450 do heart work that was very heavily 3250 02:24:36,580 --> 02:24:35,370 political and it's kind of dark and you 3251 02:24:38,960 --> 02:24:36,590 know talking more about the 3252 02:24:40,490 --> 02:24:38,970 conspiratorial side of like the u.s. 3253 02:24:42,290 --> 02:24:40,500 politics and the Council on Foreign 3254 02:24:44,900 --> 02:24:42,300 Relations and the you know the Federal 3255 02:24:47,180 --> 02:24:44,910 Reserve and and there was a moment where 3256 02:24:48,830 --> 02:24:47,190 my girlfriend was like it's weird that 3257 02:24:49,880 --> 02:24:48,840 you're doing this kind of dark political 3258 02:24:52,090 --> 02:24:49,890 artwork at the same time you're 3259 02:24:55,690 --> 02:24:52,100 interested in this kind of higher 3260 02:24:58,310 --> 02:24:55,700 spiritual consciousness stuff and I 3261 02:25:00,050 --> 02:24:58,320 still went away from that darker stuff 3262 02:25:01,610 --> 02:25:00,060 cuz I do feel like you it maybe it's not 3263 02:25:03,080 --> 02:25:01,620 so much a sigil but you are spending 3264 02:25:05,360 --> 02:25:03,090 time what you're spending time focusing 3265 02:25:07,460 --> 02:25:05,370 on might start bringing those things to 3266 02:25:09,620 --> 02:25:07,470 you and so I feel like you're focusing 3267 02:25:12,830 --> 02:25:09,630 more on esoteric symbolism and making 3268 02:25:15,350 --> 02:25:12,840 images about it it is affecting my my 3269 02:25:17,450 --> 02:25:15,360 psychology and my inner you know Fox 3270 02:25:18,350 --> 02:25:17,460 because I'm just staring at it a lot 3271 02:25:21,230 --> 02:25:18,360 more trying to go more towards 3272 02:25:22,700 --> 02:25:21,240 positivity than more towards just being 3273 02:25:26,120 --> 02:25:22,710 upset and angry and wanted to storm the 3274 02:25:27,770 --> 02:25:26,130 gates and what do you do when the 3275 02:25:30,290 --> 02:25:27,780 synchronicity start to happen 3276 02:25:32,870 --> 02:25:30,300 do you think it's because you have 3277 02:25:35,660 --> 02:25:32,880 forced it or it's the universe reacting 3278 02:25:37,340 --> 02:25:35,670 to what you have done I don't I don't 3279 02:25:39,770 --> 02:25:37,350 know but the times when it's happened 3280 02:25:41,660 --> 02:25:39,780 I'm just just grateful because it's 3281 02:25:43,220 --> 02:25:41,670 awesome it's like there's times whether 3282 02:25:45,710 --> 02:25:43,230 these little synchronicities happen and 3283 02:25:47,840 --> 02:25:45,720 more times when I can I can recount and 3284 02:25:50,930 --> 02:25:47,850 every single time it happens it's it 3285 02:25:52,910 --> 02:25:50,940 just sort of warms the soul along the 3286 02:25:56,090 --> 02:25:52,920 way you thought that was fun real like 3287 02:25:57,830 --> 02:25:56,100 you know did that that the to draw to 3288 02:25:59,240 --> 02:25:57,840 spend less time draw a piece involving 3289 02:26:02,630 --> 02:25:59,250 an owl and then they start showing out 3290 02:26:04,460 --> 02:26:02,640 like that was that I can't explain that 3291 02:26:07,910 --> 02:26:04,470 I don't really know what that is or how 3292 02:26:09,650 --> 02:26:07,920 that works but I'm just grateful and 3293 02:26:13,490 --> 02:26:09,660 it's just in sort of awe and they have 3294 02:26:14,750 --> 02:26:13,500 reverence for this these things that you 3295 02:26:16,541 --> 02:26:14,760 don't seem to make sense but they're 3296 02:26:18,671 --> 02:26:16,551 happening you know yeah and 3297 02:26:21,041 --> 02:26:18,681 have to sit back and actually just enjoy 3298 02:26:22,661 --> 02:26:21,051 the moment you know and don't freak out 3299 02:26:25,001 --> 02:26:22,671 just enjoy it and I think that's what 3300 02:26:26,921 --> 02:26:25,011 you're suggesting here I wanted yeah 3301 02:26:28,661 --> 02:26:26,931 that's always be insightful is I'm 3302 02:26:33,491 --> 02:26:28,671 always just like thank you that was 3303 02:26:36,640 --> 02:26:33,501 amazing yeah so cool can I keep you for 3304 02:26:38,921 --> 02:26:36,650 a little overtime after this break sure 3305 02:26:42,281 --> 02:26:38,931 okay I'm having too much of a good time 3306 02:26:44,831 --> 02:26:42,291 and I also this is what I want to do 3307 02:26:47,081 --> 02:26:44,841 after the break and I'm going to ask you 3308 02:26:50,201 --> 02:26:47,091 one more question before the break I'm 3309 02:26:54,220 --> 02:26:50,211 gonna go back and we're gonna do a 3310 02:26:56,261 --> 02:26:54,230 rapid-fire question in response to 3311 02:26:57,941 --> 02:26:56,271 different pieces of your artwork I'm 3312 02:27:00,011 --> 02:26:57,951 gonna I'm gonna bring something up and 3313 02:27:02,711 --> 02:27:00,021 I'm just I want your reaction to each 3314 02:27:03,281 --> 02:27:02,721 one and and we'll do that for the 3315 02:27:06,011 --> 02:27:03,291 audience 3316 02:27:08,411 --> 02:27:06,021 and and I think it'll be a lot of fun 3317 02:27:10,361 --> 02:27:08,421 but before we get there there's also 3318 02:27:12,881 --> 02:27:10,371 because we're talking about the the 3319 02:27:16,470 --> 02:27:12,891 universe and the connection and 3320 02:27:20,701 --> 02:27:16,480 consciousness there's always the the 3321 02:27:24,461 --> 02:27:20,711 question of deja vu have you been 3322 02:27:28,241 --> 02:27:24,471 through while creating artwork and had 3323 02:27:30,390 --> 02:27:28,251 some crazy deja vu that you have been 3324 02:27:32,890 --> 02:27:30,400 here before possibly suggesting 3325 02:27:35,771 --> 02:27:32,900 something from maybe even the ancient 3326 02:27:39,041 --> 02:27:35,781 past influencing where you are now has 3327 02:27:42,131 --> 02:27:39,051 that ever happened um that's interesting 3328 02:27:44,560 --> 02:27:42,141 question I can't I can't say it's ever 3329 02:27:46,930 --> 02:27:44,570 happened in the course of creating 3330 02:27:50,140 --> 02:27:46,940 artwork or that I felt like this is you 3331 02:27:51,850 --> 02:27:50,150 know this is strangely familiar to me 3332 02:27:52,841 --> 02:27:51,860 I'm going to maybe start paying more 3333 02:27:54,071 --> 02:27:52,851 attention that now that you bring that 3334 02:27:57,430 --> 02:27:54,081 but I don't know if I really thought 3335 02:28:00,341 --> 02:27:57,440 about it but I have experienced days on 3336 02:28:02,350 --> 02:28:00,351 foods that I know I dreamt of before I'm 3337 02:28:04,451 --> 02:28:02,360 like I had a dream about this and then I 3338 02:28:06,941 --> 02:28:04,461 you know a very similar moment happens 3339 02:28:08,231 --> 02:28:06,951 but it's not of any sort of ancient in a 3340 02:28:09,521 --> 02:28:08,241 sort of thing it's more just like Oh 3341 02:28:11,281 --> 02:28:09,531 like I feel like I've been in this 3342 02:28:13,841 --> 02:28:11,291 moment before the same does anybody else 3343 02:28:15,701 --> 02:28:13,851 experience with deja vu but it's an 3344 02:28:18,491 --> 02:28:15,711 interesting interesting idea about 3345 02:28:19,781 --> 02:28:18,501 whether or not you could you know that 3346 02:28:21,970 --> 02:28:19,791 idea of tapping into sort of like 3347 02:28:23,651 --> 02:28:21,980 archetypal imagery and this is these are 3348 02:28:28,411 --> 02:28:23,661 things you've seen before that I just 3349 02:28:30,460 --> 02:28:28,421 you know part of the human experience 3350 02:28:31,900 --> 02:28:30,470 exactly and now I 3351 02:28:33,729 --> 02:28:31,910 I'm trying to think I got my Hospital 3352 02:28:36,370 --> 02:28:33,739 back out later and more about that cuz 3353 02:28:39,340 --> 02:28:36,380 that's interesting and what about this 3354 02:28:43,780 --> 02:28:39,350 is a quick answer when you were over in 3355 02:28:47,170 --> 02:28:43,790 Egypt with jaws and chance did you have 3356 02:28:51,130 --> 02:28:47,180 any magical moments there at a temple or 3357 02:28:54,880 --> 02:28:51,140 structure a DejaVu type of spiritual 3358 02:28:57,010 --> 02:28:54,890 connection I can't say that I had a deja 3359 02:28:59,110 --> 02:28:57,020 boo' type of moment but I think it was 3360 02:29:00,940 --> 02:28:59,120 more just there's you're not going to go 3361 02:29:02,349 --> 02:29:00,950 there and not be moved and not be in awe 3362 02:29:04,479 --> 02:29:02,359 of the and especially if you're an 3363 02:29:06,519 --> 02:29:04,489 artist and not being ha just the skill 3364 02:29:09,790 --> 02:29:06,529 and the craftsmanship and and in the 3365 02:29:12,550 --> 02:29:09,800 symbolism I and I don't think I ever 3366 02:29:14,349 --> 02:29:12,560 felt like I had any sort of 3367 02:29:16,450 --> 02:29:14,359 recollections or anything like there was 3368 02:29:17,620 --> 02:29:16,460 I mean it all seemed new I mean I've 3369 02:29:19,059 --> 02:29:17,630 never been to Egypt so it all seems 3370 02:29:21,070 --> 02:29:19,069 there wasn't a point where I felt like 3371 02:29:23,620 --> 02:29:21,080 oh this seems right to me or this seems 3372 02:29:24,580 --> 02:29:23,630 familiar but I really cool as it did 3373 02:29:28,360 --> 02:29:24,590 because who doesn't want to have that 3374 02:29:30,670 --> 02:29:28,370 yeah let's take a break right here Brad 3375 02:29:33,330 --> 02:29:30,680 when we come back we'll do we'll do some 3376 02:29:36,760 --> 02:29:33,340 rapid fire stuff with your artwork I'm 3377 02:29:39,250 --> 02:29:36,770 very very curious as to your actions and 3378 02:29:41,110 --> 02:29:39,260 your answers to certain things so let's 3379 02:29:42,550 --> 02:29:41,120 do that we'll take a quick break our 3380 02:29:44,950 --> 02:29:42,560 guest tonight Brad Claussen this is 3381 02:29:48,150 --> 02:29:44,960 night 3 of our Egypt week here on fade 3382 02:30:11,820 --> 02:29:48,160 to black I'll be right back stay with us 3383 02:30:14,650 --> 02:30:11,830 [Music] 3384 02:30:17,350 --> 02:30:14,660 Viveca box here and you are listening to 3385 02:30:22,800 --> 02:30:17,360 my boy Jimmy Church on Jimmy Church 3386 02:30:26,980 --> 02:30:22,810 radio.com this my 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welcome back fade to black I'm 3471 02:34:43,340 --> 02:34:40,680 real Jimmy Church follow me on Twitter 3472 02:34:44,500 --> 02:34:43,350 at JD oh you can't follow Brad because 3473 02:34:50,000 --> 02:34:44,510 he's not on Twitter 3474 02:34:53,420 --> 02:34:50,010 it's not about Brad bad about Brad what 3475 02:35:02,210 --> 02:34:53,430 about those Insurance commercials well 3476 02:35:05,179 --> 02:35:02,220 my car's name is Brad is so funny so 3477 02:35:08,889 --> 02:35:05,189 funny okay so thank you for doing a 3478 02:35:12,769 --> 02:35:08,899 little overtime with us and I you know I 3479 02:35:14,719 --> 02:35:12,779 can't let you get away and get out of 3480 02:35:17,210 --> 02:35:14,729 here without you know specifically 3481 02:35:19,820 --> 02:35:17,220 talking about some of your artwork and 3482 02:35:22,639 --> 02:35:19,830 the inspiration behind it and we chose 3483 02:35:26,599 --> 02:35:22,649 when we went through and in Rita was 3484 02:35:29,019 --> 02:35:26,609 looking at your stuff she gravitated 3485 02:35:33,229 --> 02:35:29,029 towards like anybody's going to do that 3486 02:35:36,859 --> 02:35:33,239 Jacob's Ladder and we used that for the 3487 02:35:39,109 --> 02:35:36,869 show for promotion on the show it's a 3488 02:35:43,609 --> 02:35:39,119 pretty incredible piece of work and 3489 02:35:46,460 --> 02:35:43,619 what's the story behind it it's just a 3490 02:35:49,059 --> 02:35:46,470 play on the the caduceus the symbol of 3491 02:35:52,010 --> 02:35:49,069 the caduceus and and and the idea of 3492 02:35:56,229 --> 02:35:52,020 Jacob's Ladder being a symbol for the 3493 02:35:59,359 --> 02:35:56,239 human spine and you know that the Jacob 3494 02:36:01,729 --> 02:35:59,369 that has that vision where he he sees 3495 02:36:05,990 --> 02:36:01,739 God face to face and then he calls the 3496 02:36:11,120 --> 02:36:06,000 place Peniel he and I he Ellis writes 3497 02:36:14,030 --> 02:36:11,130 it's interesting close to ty Neil but 3498 02:36:16,460 --> 02:36:14,040 that idea that that you you know and 3499 02:36:17,929 --> 02:36:16,470 ladders too often found throughout any 3500 02:36:20,179 --> 02:36:17,939 sort of initiatic tradition where 3501 02:36:21,740 --> 02:36:20,189 there's an ascent up into heaven or does 3502 02:36:24,439 --> 02:36:21,750 you're either climbing up a ladder or a 3503 02:36:25,849 --> 02:36:24,449 stairway to heaven or you turn into a 3504 02:36:27,889 --> 02:36:25,859 bird and there's a flight and there's 3505 02:36:29,899 --> 02:36:27,899 some sort of you know upward movement 3506 02:36:32,750 --> 02:36:29,909 towards this sort of revelatory 3507 02:36:34,519 --> 02:36:32,760 experience so that one's really just 3508 02:36:37,760 --> 02:36:34,529 about that idea of ascending up the 3509 02:36:39,380 --> 02:36:37,770 energy ascending up the spine to - you 3510 02:36:40,880 --> 02:36:39,390 know it's talking about the reason I 3511 02:36:44,330 --> 02:36:40,890 think I call that the sushumna so it's 3512 02:36:46,189 --> 02:36:44,340 that idea of the Kundalini in this spine 3513 02:36:48,200 --> 02:36:46,199 being this just position the central 3514 02:36:50,719 --> 02:36:48,210 column and the tea snakes being the item 3515 02:36:55,330 --> 02:36:50,729 going up going up the spine so that 3516 02:36:58,250 --> 02:36:55,340 one's all just about this idea of the 3517 02:37:01,310 --> 02:36:58,260 biology or the anatomy of it states of 3518 02:37:04,430 --> 02:37:01,320 enlightenment I'm so glad you didn't say 3519 02:37:06,140 --> 02:37:04,440 because it looked cool man because it 3520 02:37:09,380 --> 02:37:06,150 looked cool there are a couple there's a 3521 02:37:10,880 --> 02:37:09,390 couple of purses in my in my catalog 3522 02:37:11,990 --> 02:37:10,890 that are just that where it's some other 3523 02:37:14,719 --> 02:37:12,000 like why'd you do that like because I 3524 02:37:18,140 --> 02:37:14,729 wanted to draw a shark there's no 3525 02:37:19,610 --> 02:37:18,150 profound interesting thing but unless 3526 02:37:20,870 --> 02:37:19,620 you wanna you know the wells relatively 3527 02:37:24,980 --> 02:37:20,880 dry and you just you just got to figure 3528 02:37:27,080 --> 02:37:24,990 out something to do but ya know I think 3529 02:37:28,550 --> 02:37:27,090 most am I supposed to I hopefully 3530 02:37:30,020 --> 02:37:28,560 hopefully they're cool to look at 3531 02:37:31,670 --> 02:37:30,030 because that's sort of the premise of 3532 02:37:33,860 --> 02:37:31,680 graphic design and any sort of artwork 3533 02:37:35,210 --> 02:37:33,870 but I for me that you talk about making 3534 02:37:38,120 --> 02:37:35,220 art work for me for me it's more 3535 02:37:40,550 --> 02:37:38,130 interesting when I can encode this other 3536 02:37:43,040 --> 02:37:40,560 layer of meaning to things and so 3537 02:37:44,960 --> 02:37:43,050 especially if I can there's a post rated 3538 02:37:47,330 --> 02:37:44,970 for Pearl Jam and they played in Dublin 3539 02:37:48,710 --> 02:37:47,340 and trees are symbols for knowledge you 3540 02:37:51,140 --> 02:37:48,720 know and the old Celtic thing like that 3541 02:37:54,950 --> 02:37:51,150 and Pearl Jam has a song called in my 3542 02:37:56,180 --> 02:37:54,960 tree and it was one of the times where 3543 02:37:57,980 --> 02:37:56,190 it all kind of works out where not only 3544 02:37:59,510 --> 02:37:57,990 can I relate to some sort of esoteric 3545 02:38:01,969 --> 02:37:59,520 symbolism I can relate it to the 3546 02:38:04,370 --> 02:38:01,979 location I can relate it to the band and 3547 02:38:07,070 --> 02:38:04,380 lyrics the band has so I can tie in all 3548 02:38:08,150 --> 02:38:07,080 of these different layers of meaning and 3549 02:38:09,980 --> 02:38:08,160 those are usually to me my favorite 3550 02:38:12,500 --> 02:38:09,990 posters where there's you know four or 3551 02:38:15,380 --> 02:38:12,510 five different levels deep of why the 3552 02:38:24,230 --> 02:38:15,390 images is the images that it is do you 3553 02:38:25,850 --> 02:38:24,240 have a favorite Pearl Jam song and if 3554 02:38:27,440 --> 02:38:25,860 this is one of those quick rapid-fire 3555 02:38:30,140 --> 02:38:27,450 questions that you're just gonna ask me 3556 02:38:32,150 --> 02:38:30,150 yeah we're gonna think best first song 3557 02:38:35,690 --> 02:38:32,160 it pops into my head is present tense I 3558 02:38:38,630 --> 02:38:35,700 really like that one you can but I do 3559 02:38:42,020 --> 02:38:38,640 like most of the heavier habit and songs 3560 02:38:44,540 --> 02:38:42,030 that are you know I like the co animal I 3561 02:38:46,190 --> 02:38:44,550 like the the fast injuries mean songs 3562 02:38:47,540 --> 02:38:46,200 and the ballads are all aesthetic 3563 02:38:49,460 --> 02:38:47,550 amazing they do a good job of that too 3564 02:38:51,170 --> 02:38:49,470 but I tend to like the the ones with 3565 02:38:55,810 --> 02:38:51,180 some grit and some some tanks than some 3566 02:39:01,729 --> 02:38:55,820 anger in the poster for flight to Mars 3567 02:39:06,699 --> 02:39:01,739 which one many I'm looking at the 3568 02:39:10,159 --> 02:39:06,709 UFO is it what color is it blue 3569 02:39:12,979 --> 02:39:10,169 bloomers mic playing guitar or is it no 3570 02:39:15,349 --> 02:39:12,989 good there's many with UFOs okay this 3571 02:39:17,090 --> 02:39:15,359 one is weird like promise' the UFO 3572 02:39:22,420 --> 02:39:17,100 tribute it's Mike McCready tribute band 3573 02:39:28,729 --> 02:39:22,430 to UFO right and it's an ascension of 3574 02:39:31,340 --> 02:39:28,739 somebody being beamed up from like 2006 3575 02:39:33,739 --> 02:39:31,350 I was from like the early days um yeah 3576 02:39:35,899 --> 02:39:33,749 that was basically just riffing on the 3577 02:39:37,189 --> 02:39:35,909 idea of UFOs that there's some hillbilly 3578 02:39:40,939 --> 02:39:37,199 in the woods with his six-pack of beer 3579 02:39:42,889 --> 02:39:40,949 and he's getting abducted and he's gonna 3580 02:39:45,380 --> 02:39:42,899 have a story later what's the fire in 3581 02:39:48,409 --> 02:39:45,390 the sky big Travis what's his leg Travis 3582 02:39:50,479 --> 02:39:48,419 Walton yeah I think there might be a 3583 02:39:52,969 --> 02:39:50,489 little bit of that in there a little bit 3584 02:39:56,749 --> 02:39:52,979 of Travis and there's also I'm gonna say 3585 02:40:00,649 --> 02:39:56,759 it don't be offended I feel a little van 3586 02:40:02,859 --> 02:40:00,659 Gogh ish with this poster I wouldn't 3587 02:40:08,029 --> 02:40:02,869 feel offended by that at all yeah yeah 3588 02:40:10,309 --> 02:40:08,039 it feels a little you know the starry 3589 02:40:14,510 --> 02:40:10,319 starry night with the blue swirls and 3590 02:40:16,099 --> 02:40:14,520 this world yeah it's very cool poster 3591 02:40:22,510 --> 02:40:16,109 okay 3592 02:40:28,069 --> 02:40:22,520 let's go to the the Foo Fighters with 3593 02:40:29,349 --> 02:40:28,079 with the with what's the name of the the 3594 02:40:34,309 --> 02:40:29,359 p48 3595 02:40:36,170 --> 02:40:34,319 plane yeah that was just and 3596 02:40:38,119 --> 02:40:36,180 unfortunately I think the Foo Fighters 3597 02:40:40,369 --> 02:40:38,129 get this a lot because their name is 3598 02:40:42,920 --> 02:40:40,379 based off of the old world war two the 3599 02:40:45,079 --> 02:40:42,930 people that saw the UFOs and stuff like 3600 02:40:46,340 --> 02:40:45,089 that so unfortunately I think I fell 3601 02:40:48,949 --> 02:40:46,350 into this trap to the Foo Fighters 3602 02:40:52,279 --> 02:40:48,959 you're gonna go to UFO imagery you know 3603 02:40:53,809 --> 02:40:52,289 just based off of the name so it wasn't 3604 02:40:55,219 --> 02:40:53,819 that that was a play off of that - just 3605 02:40:57,249 --> 02:40:55,229 the idea that you know the idea of 3606 02:41:00,289 --> 02:40:57,259 pilots encountering these peculiar 3607 02:41:01,510 --> 02:41:00,299 aerial phenomena have you seen anything 3608 02:41:05,439 --> 02:41:01,520 in the sky 3609 02:41:08,420 --> 02:41:05,449 have you had your own UFO encounter I 3610 02:41:09,109 --> 02:41:08,430 have had an experience that I wouldn't I 3611 02:41:14,580 --> 02:41:09,119 don't 3612 02:41:16,200 --> 02:41:14,590 I didn't strike me as being a UFO it 3613 02:41:17,490 --> 02:41:16,210 how much time do we have it there's it 3614 02:41:20,610 --> 02:41:17,500 would take a little bit of time to 3615 02:41:23,520 --> 02:41:20,620 explain it hey let's go let's go okay 3616 02:41:26,340 --> 02:41:23,530 well I was sitting out in my backyard 3617 02:41:28,410 --> 02:41:26,350 there's one summer where I sit out in 3618 02:41:30,599 --> 02:41:28,420 the backyard and my hammock and I look 3619 02:41:31,800 --> 02:41:30,609 up at the stars and I got really into 3620 02:41:33,960 --> 02:41:31,810 doing that one night and I went out 3621 02:41:36,360 --> 02:41:33,970 there one time with my dog Zoey and I 3622 02:41:37,710 --> 02:41:36,370 had her sitting on my chest and and it 3623 02:41:40,800 --> 02:41:37,720 was there was a genuine moment where I 3624 02:41:43,110 --> 02:41:40,810 really felt like true like unconditional 3625 02:41:45,900 --> 02:41:43,120 love for this being for my dog and I 3626 02:41:46,980 --> 02:41:45,910 think that has something to do with it I 3627 02:41:48,389 --> 02:41:46,990 would I would sit on underneath the 3628 02:41:49,830 --> 02:41:48,399 stars and I would try and have just a 3629 02:41:50,940 --> 02:41:49,840 mantra so I could just sit up and stare 3630 02:41:53,460 --> 02:41:50,950 at the stars not that my brain just 3631 02:41:55,740 --> 02:41:53,470 would run all over the place and I would 3632 02:41:57,000 --> 02:41:55,750 always repeat all you need is love by 3633 02:42:00,480 --> 02:41:57,010 the Beatles I just keep saying that over 3634 02:42:01,860 --> 02:42:00,490 and over again and so as I'm sitting out 3635 02:42:02,910 --> 02:42:01,870 there in the hammock I'm hanging out 3636 02:42:04,800 --> 02:42:02,920 with my dogs 3637 02:42:06,540 --> 02:42:04,810 there was a voice in my head but it was 3638 02:42:08,550 --> 02:42:06,550 my voice it's my internal voice right 3639 02:42:09,540 --> 02:42:08,560 it's not some channeled voice or 3640 02:42:12,000 --> 02:42:09,550 something it's the same voice that I 3641 02:42:14,340 --> 02:42:12,010 hear in my head when I'm thinking but it 3642 02:42:17,130 --> 02:42:14,350 said don't be afraid 3643 02:42:19,170 --> 02:42:17,140 I said turn your head to the right and I 3644 02:42:20,790 --> 02:42:19,180 was curious I'd like I'll play along 3645 02:42:23,520 --> 02:42:20,800 with myself because I said it was my 3646 02:42:26,820 --> 02:42:23,530 voice in my head I turned my head to the 3647 02:42:29,099 --> 02:42:26,830 right and it said can you see me and 3648 02:42:30,540 --> 02:42:29,109 there were like it was my time but 3649 02:42:32,099 --> 02:42:30,550 they're our neighbors and houses nearby 3650 02:42:33,480 --> 02:42:32,109 that had like back patio lights on so 3651 02:42:34,740 --> 02:42:33,490 you could see some kind of shadows and 3652 02:42:37,080 --> 02:42:34,750 stuff like that I'm looking over these 3653 02:42:39,270 --> 02:42:37,090 bushes in my neighbor's yard and you can 3654 02:42:40,710 --> 02:42:39,280 kind of make I'm a visual person I could 3655 02:42:42,929 --> 02:42:40,720 kind of make out a silhouette in the 3656 02:42:44,580 --> 02:42:42,939 shadow of a head and shoulders and I was 3657 02:42:46,560 --> 02:42:44,590 playing along with myself right if 3658 02:42:48,030 --> 02:42:46,570 that's if you're asking if I can see you 3659 02:42:49,320 --> 02:42:48,040 and there's a little this head and 3660 02:42:51,179 --> 02:42:49,330 shoulders over there I said you know 3661 02:42:52,800 --> 02:42:51,189 wait like I want to see this shadow like 3662 02:42:54,719 --> 02:42:52,810 let's see a way but this is this little 3663 02:42:58,230 --> 02:42:54,729 thought experiment that I'm doing with 3664 02:43:00,300 --> 02:42:58,240 myself right now and the nanosecond is a 3665 02:43:03,480 --> 02:43:00,310 minute that the instantaneously that I 3666 02:43:04,980 --> 02:43:03,490 said it's this conversation in my head 3667 02:43:08,130 --> 02:43:04,990 was going or said can you see me and I 3668 02:43:12,480 --> 02:43:08,140 said kinda wave there was a bright flash 3669 02:43:14,580 --> 02:43:12,490 in the sky like a big bright flash of a 3670 02:43:17,070 --> 02:43:14,590 star like you're much bigger than you 3671 02:43:18,960 --> 02:43:17,080 know obviously I'm 42 I've seen enough 3672 02:43:22,650 --> 02:43:18,970 planes in the sky to see I know what a 3673 02:43:25,950 --> 02:43:22,660 flashing plane light looks like this was 3674 02:43:27,679 --> 02:43:25,960 a big bright just beacon of a star 3675 02:43:29,179 --> 02:43:27,689 that's just flipped and and it 3676 02:43:31,639 --> 02:43:29,189 so bright that I was looking over to my 3677 02:43:33,439 --> 02:43:31,649 side that it caught my attention and and 3678 02:43:34,580 --> 02:43:33,449 then it kind of skipped like a stone it 3679 02:43:36,170 --> 02:43:34,590 blinked and it went over here and it 3680 02:43:37,699 --> 02:43:36,180 blinked and women the blanks and one 3681 02:43:39,590 --> 02:43:37,709 over that way again this is not a plane 3682 02:43:44,059 --> 02:43:39,600 this plane flying all over the place I 3683 02:43:46,219 --> 02:43:44,069 know what a plane looks like but maybe 3684 02:43:47,630 --> 02:43:46,229 it was a piece of debris in the sky that 3685 02:43:48,979 --> 02:43:47,640 was reflecting light as it's skipping 3686 02:43:50,660 --> 02:43:48,989 and it's something that's turning some 3687 02:43:52,519 --> 02:43:50,670 peaceably has so much satellite trash 3688 02:43:53,899 --> 02:43:52,529 flying around our planet maybe it was 3689 02:43:54,830 --> 02:43:53,909 something that just catching reflective 3690 02:43:56,300 --> 02:43:54,840 light and I just happened to be 3691 02:43:59,090 --> 02:43:56,310 coincidentally when the minute I say 3692 02:44:01,489 --> 02:43:59,100 this saw it experience my head says can 3693 02:44:04,760 --> 02:44:01,499 you see me and I said kind of wave 3694 02:44:07,969 --> 02:44:04,770 there's this big bright light in the sky 3695 02:44:10,010 --> 02:44:07,979 I didn't think all that it was a UFO I 3696 02:44:12,050 --> 02:44:10,020 didn't think I instantly sort of thought 3697 02:44:13,429 --> 02:44:12,060 of consciousness I just to me it was 3698 02:44:17,269 --> 02:44:13,439 just this weird just sort of like the 3699 02:44:18,949 --> 02:44:17,279 howls it was sort of like and I was just 3700 02:44:22,160 --> 02:44:18,959 grateful and I was just thankful but at 3701 02:44:24,349 --> 02:44:22,170 no point did I think it was a UFO or it 3702 02:44:26,719 --> 02:44:24,359 was alien or there was any of that stuff 3703 02:44:28,670 --> 02:44:26,729 to and I was just sort of overwhelmed 3704 02:44:30,500 --> 02:44:28,680 with gratitude by standing with owls 3705 02:44:32,479 --> 02:44:30,510 like that wasn't that was insane don't 3706 02:44:34,519 --> 02:44:32,489 that was like that was like nothing I've 3707 02:44:37,510 --> 02:44:34,529 ever experienced because of this weird 3708 02:44:40,269 --> 02:44:37,520 little exchange in my mind with myself 3709 02:44:43,460 --> 02:44:40,279 how cool is that right 3710 02:44:44,779 --> 02:44:43,470 it was it would move me away and then 3711 02:44:45,949 --> 02:44:44,789 you know you tell people that story and 3712 02:44:47,330 --> 02:44:45,959 they're like yeah they're called planes 3713 02:44:51,830 --> 02:44:47,340 you know they're whatever they make you 3714 02:44:53,779 --> 02:44:51,840 know that connect you know it was if it 3715 02:44:55,250 --> 02:44:53,789 was just if I just saw a bright flashing 3716 02:44:56,809 --> 02:44:55,260 light and it just you know it skipped 3717 02:44:58,250 --> 02:44:56,819 across the sky like a stone that would 3718 02:45:01,729 --> 02:44:58,260 have been cool on itself but it was the 3719 02:45:04,550 --> 02:45:01,739 exchange beforehand but it really you 3720 02:45:05,719 --> 02:45:04,560 know and and I don't know what it was I 3721 02:45:08,269 --> 02:45:05,729 don't know what that was or what 3722 02:45:11,449 --> 02:45:08,279 happened I wasn't afraid I wasn't scared 3723 02:45:14,179 --> 02:45:11,459 I didn't you know I was just really 3724 02:45:15,679 --> 02:45:14,189 grateful and thankful in an are and just 3725 02:45:16,429 --> 02:45:15,689 sort of blown away like that was the one 3726 02:45:17,989 --> 02:45:16,439 of the coolest things I've ever 3727 02:45:18,979 --> 02:45:17,999 experienced in my whole life that's 3728 02:45:21,410 --> 02:45:18,989 right that's right 3729 02:45:24,830 --> 02:45:21,420 you know bring up Brad I've had so many 3730 02:45:27,859 --> 02:45:24,840 of those experiences now with with 3731 02:45:30,769 --> 02:45:27,869 myself and with others sometimes even 3732 02:45:34,309 --> 02:45:30,779 hundreds of people around me and we've 3733 02:45:36,959 --> 02:45:34,319 all had that happen together it's 3734 02:45:40,019 --> 02:45:36,969 happened so much now that 3735 02:45:43,679 --> 02:45:40,029 but when you go back to your first time 3736 02:45:46,669 --> 02:45:43,689 would you just told me you know okay 3737 02:45:50,999 --> 02:45:46,679 well yeah and I'm glad you enjoyed it 3738 02:45:52,319 --> 02:45:51,009 but the first time that it happens like 3739 02:45:56,459 --> 02:45:52,329 with you there that's a life-changing 3740 02:45:59,399 --> 02:45:56,469 event and you can't express the meaning 3741 02:46:01,739 --> 02:45:59,409 of that with somebody else they just 3742 02:46:04,649 --> 02:46:01,749 don't get it like you just said it's a 3743 02:46:08,010 --> 02:46:04,659 plane dude come on man right right 3744 02:46:10,559 --> 02:46:08,020 but it is truly an epiphany that's the 3745 02:46:12,449 --> 02:46:10,569 only way it can be described it's it's a 3746 02:46:15,719 --> 02:46:12,459 pretty amazing thing when it happens the 3747 02:46:17,879 --> 02:46:15,729 first time yeah and very well like I 3748 02:46:19,949 --> 02:46:17,889 said I don't know enough about how 3749 02:46:21,539 --> 02:46:19,959 everything in the atmosphere how all the 3750 02:46:23,010 --> 02:46:21,549 satellites and Halliburton Corbett was 3751 02:46:25,260 --> 02:46:23,020 planning I would feel like if aliens 3752 02:46:27,749 --> 02:46:25,270 were ever to come to earth or have been 3753 02:46:29,549 --> 02:46:27,759 here they would see this like planet 3754 02:46:30,649 --> 02:46:29,559 full of junk orbiting it and they'd be 3755 02:46:32,909 --> 02:46:30,659 like let's not go there 3756 02:46:34,949 --> 02:46:32,919 there's so many satellites and so much 3757 02:46:37,229 --> 02:46:34,959 debris that's you look at it that looks 3758 02:46:39,389 --> 02:46:37,239 cool but it's covered in junk so I don't 3759 02:46:41,369 --> 02:46:39,399 know I don't know enough about what's 3760 02:46:43,499 --> 02:46:41,379 happening up in the lower levels 3761 02:46:45,089 --> 02:46:43,509 atmosphere for metallic things to be 3762 02:46:47,699 --> 02:46:45,099 flipping and spinning and reflecting 3763 02:46:52,679 --> 02:46:47,709 light and so I had no idea what what 3764 02:46:54,899 --> 02:46:52,689 happened there but it doesn't change the 3765 02:46:56,789 --> 02:46:54,909 experience it doesn't know any other 3766 02:46:58,379 --> 02:46:56,799 like I said the other other interesting 3767 02:47:01,439 --> 02:46:58,389 thing I'm not one of these hippie dippie 3768 02:47:04,260 --> 02:47:01,449 you know love and light positivity super 3769 02:47:06,839 --> 02:47:04,270 people I'm all for you know positivity 3770 02:47:09,839 --> 02:47:06,849 and light and love but the idea that I 3771 02:47:11,639 --> 02:47:09,849 was had my dog and but there was this 3772 02:47:13,289 --> 02:47:11,649 moment it's just truly like it was an 3773 02:47:15,359 --> 02:47:13,299 interesting awareness of myself like I 3774 02:47:17,489 --> 02:47:15,369 love this creature I love this beating 3775 02:47:18,749 --> 02:47:17,499 and this being is I truly feel connected 3776 02:47:22,349 --> 02:47:18,759 bonded I think there was some sort of 3777 02:47:24,659 --> 02:47:22,359 weird openness that happened through my 3778 02:47:28,049 --> 02:47:24,669 head space or whatever just to just to 3779 02:47:30,510 --> 02:47:28,059 be in this place of openness and love 3780 02:47:32,010 --> 02:47:30,520 and gratitude and I feel like that had 3781 02:47:33,209 --> 02:47:32,020 something to do and I would imagine like 3782 02:47:34,649 --> 02:47:33,219 you talked about with groups of people 3783 02:47:37,339 --> 02:47:34,659 having these experience but maybe that's 3784 02:47:39,989 --> 02:47:37,349 part of it too if you get enough of a 3785 02:47:41,369 --> 02:47:39,999 positive energy or a group of people 3786 02:47:43,069 --> 02:47:41,379 together maybe there's maybe there's 3787 02:47:45,659 --> 02:47:43,079 something to be said for you know 3788 02:47:48,679 --> 02:47:45,669 there's no question about it we've got 3789 02:47:51,559 --> 02:47:48,689 to get you will get you 3790 02:47:54,319 --> 02:47:51,569 out with us you know what we do there's 3791 02:47:58,250 --> 02:47:54,329 a place up near you 3792 02:48:01,130 --> 02:47:58,260 at Mount Adams in Washington on the 3793 02:48:04,699 --> 02:48:01,140 border there with Seattle I mean with 3794 02:48:07,929 --> 02:48:04,709 Oregon and it's called a SETI ranch and 3795 02:48:10,699 --> 02:48:07,939 you can look it up CET i'ii settie ranch 3796 02:48:11,630 --> 02:48:10,709 go there and heard of it yeah go there 3797 02:48:16,910 --> 02:48:11,640 and hang out with us 3798 02:48:18,769 --> 02:48:16,920 and that's it leave there it's like an 3799 02:48:23,649 --> 02:48:18,779 ice pick to the forehead man you leave 3800 02:48:27,889 --> 02:48:23,659 there stand stunned stunned okay next 3801 02:48:33,679 --> 02:48:27,899 the Metallica poster the the red white 3802 02:48:37,910 --> 02:48:33,689 and blue one with looks like while he's 3803 02:48:41,889 --> 02:48:37,920 holding two hammers yeah well that one 3804 02:48:43,429 --> 02:48:41,899 was I think in wherever Lars is from 3805 02:48:45,260 --> 02:48:43,439 Herning 3806 02:48:47,779 --> 02:48:45,270 I don't know if he's from heininger he's 3807 02:48:48,949 --> 02:48:47,789 from like the oh I just feel like I want 3808 02:48:51,710 --> 02:48:48,959 to say is about the nether and he's 3809 02:48:52,580 --> 02:48:51,720 dutch right right something like that 3810 02:48:54,380 --> 02:48:52,590 well he was knighted 3811 02:48:56,300 --> 02:48:54,390 they made him a knight and whatever his 3812 02:48:59,179 --> 02:48:56,310 town that he where he was born where 3813 02:49:00,949 --> 02:48:59,189 he's from and I don't know if it was 3814 02:49:03,170 --> 02:49:00,959 exactly in Herning where that show was 3815 02:49:04,880 --> 02:49:03,180 if that was it but also in turning it on 3816 02:49:06,489 --> 02:49:04,890 their honor crest they have hammers 3817 02:49:09,290 --> 02:49:06,499 there and so I just thought about this 3818 02:49:11,599 --> 02:49:09,300 idea of a drummer with these hammers or 3819 02:49:15,889 --> 02:49:11,609 someone who's a knight and so it's sort 3820 02:49:17,929 --> 02:49:15,899 of a sort of a comment about Lars you 3821 02:49:19,370 --> 02:49:17,939 know this idea of this you know this 3822 02:49:20,540 --> 02:49:19,380 Knight with his heavy hammers not that 3823 02:49:23,210 --> 02:49:20,550 Lars Ulrich is the hardest hitting 3824 02:49:26,630 --> 02:49:23,220 drummer ever but you get the idea you 3825 02:49:29,449 --> 02:49:26,640 know this sort of sort of pummeling 3826 02:49:33,729 --> 02:49:29,459 force of that is Metallica this this 3827 02:49:37,279 --> 02:49:33,739 juggernaut of of sound let's go with 3828 02:49:41,120 --> 02:49:37,289 Allison chains and it's the one where 3829 02:49:43,790 --> 02:49:41,130 you've got everything here okay I don't 3830 02:49:46,010 --> 02:49:43,800 know who the goddess is but she's there 3831 02:49:48,349 --> 02:49:46,020 you've got you've got the all-seeing eye 3832 02:49:51,260 --> 02:49:48,359 you've got a planet looks like as some 3833 02:49:56,479 --> 02:49:51,270 DNA symbolism and it's it's turquoise 3834 02:49:57,949 --> 02:49:56,489 and black yeah that was I think that 3835 02:50:00,019 --> 02:49:57,959 that for that one he was sort of playing 3836 02:50:02,830 --> 02:50:00,029 off the idea of Isis the sort of queen 3837 02:50:05,090 --> 02:50:02,840 of heaven and this idea of 3838 02:50:07,160 --> 02:50:05,100 something swirling out of nothing if 3839 02:50:10,090 --> 02:50:07,170 this force swirling out have sort of the 3840 02:50:12,920 --> 02:50:10,100 you know that idea of chaos and and 3841 02:50:14,270 --> 02:50:12,930 forming there are two serpents and that 3842 02:50:16,900 --> 02:50:14,280 and there's a criss crossing kind of 3843 02:50:19,070 --> 02:50:16,910 caduceus that comes to it that is almost 3844 02:50:23,510 --> 02:50:19,080 precedes the Jacob's Ladder want to 3845 02:50:25,730 --> 02:50:23,520 serve a symbol a similar symbology this 3846 02:50:27,980 --> 02:50:25,740 swirling caduceus that's been introduced 3847 02:50:29,330 --> 02:50:27,990 that gets you to this you know state of 3848 02:50:30,740 --> 02:50:29,340 enlightenment thank you've got 3849 02:50:33,020 --> 02:50:30,750 everything here man 3850 02:50:35,810 --> 02:50:33,030 and a little you've got a little 3851 02:50:39,290 --> 02:50:35,820 cymatics going on and some sacred 3852 02:50:43,219 --> 02:50:39,300 geometry you left nothing out on this 3853 02:50:44,060 --> 02:50:43,229 poster yeah it's pretty cool it's pretty 3854 02:50:47,120 --> 02:50:44,070 cool 3855 02:50:51,800 --> 02:50:47,130 let me see oh you know what I've got a 3856 02:50:56,929 --> 02:50:51,810 one of my it's visually so cool also the 3857 02:51:01,580 --> 02:50:56,939 Tron poster is is is really hopeful but 3858 02:51:07,070 --> 02:51:01,590 the Wrigley Field I mean I did do you 3859 02:51:10,670 --> 02:51:07,080 get asked about that a lot it's just 3860 02:51:15,110 --> 02:51:10,680 it's it's it's so it's it's just a 3861 02:51:15,770 --> 02:51:15,120 good-looking good-looking poster thanks 3862 02:51:18,230 --> 02:51:15,780 man 3863 02:51:19,910 --> 02:51:18,240 I guess people are looking to that want 3864 02:51:21,740 --> 02:51:19,920 one but I mean and as far as like 3865 02:51:23,810 --> 02:51:21,750 symbolism goes that one doesn't really 3866 02:51:25,460 --> 02:51:23,820 have no it doesn't have any at all no 3867 02:51:35,090 --> 02:51:25,470 that's not the point 3868 02:51:38,660 --> 02:51:35,100 I Pearl Jam played Safeco and they 3869 02:51:40,130 --> 02:51:38,670 played Fenway this summer and if they 3870 02:51:41,960 --> 02:51:40,140 keep playing baseball stadiums I think 3871 02:51:43,670 --> 02:51:41,970 I'm gonna run that concept in the ground 3872 02:51:46,190 --> 02:51:43,680 of using like old-timey baseball players 3873 02:51:49,000 --> 02:51:46,200 for the hughster than enough I'm gonna 3874 02:51:53,870 --> 02:51:49,010 have to come up with something else and 3875 02:51:58,969 --> 02:51:53,880 now I need to go back to I'm a big MC 3876 02:52:03,290 --> 02:51:58,979 escher guy my favorite and and bill-to 3877 02:52:06,110 --> 02:52:03,300 built a spill here it's it's a 3878 02:52:08,630 --> 02:52:06,120 combination of things going on I see a 3879 02:52:10,700 --> 02:52:08,640 sure I see a little Picasso I see some 3880 02:52:12,769 --> 02:52:10,710 Brad Claussen 3881 02:52:14,590 --> 02:52:12,779 that's a really really really cool 3882 02:52:17,929 --> 02:52:14,600 poster a modern take 3883 02:52:21,290 --> 02:52:17,939 thanks man yeah it's that was an homage 3884 02:52:23,689 --> 02:52:21,300 to Asher and I'm a huge a chef and I 3885 02:52:25,729 --> 02:52:23,699 feel like unfortunately he gets pigeon 3886 02:52:28,670 --> 02:52:25,739 told us you know the the stoner college 3887 02:52:29,899 --> 02:52:28,680 kid the dorm room poster and everyone 3888 02:52:31,309 --> 02:52:29,909 seen me or the famous ones that 3889 02:52:33,559 --> 02:52:31,319 everybody has but if you go deep into 3890 02:52:35,300 --> 02:52:33,569 his body of work or some there's some 3891 02:52:37,370 --> 02:52:35,310 landscapes and some other some pieces 3892 02:52:38,929 --> 02:52:37,380 that are not as familiar that I'd love 3893 02:52:42,920 --> 02:52:38,939 that if some of my favorite works of art 3894 02:52:44,809 --> 02:52:42,930 and he's he's just a whole other level 3895 02:52:46,580 --> 02:52:44,819 of artist in my opinion and like I said 3896 02:52:48,859 --> 02:52:46,590 it's unfortunate because there's puzzles 3897 02:52:51,290 --> 02:52:48,869 and there's you know mouse pads and 3898 02:52:52,880 --> 02:52:51,300 coffee mugs and you know every but 3899 02:52:54,200 --> 02:52:52,890 there's just so much merchandise it's 3900 02:52:57,620 --> 02:52:54,210 been made of all his stuff that it's 3901 02:52:59,389 --> 02:52:57,630 kind of you know watered down what how 3902 02:53:00,559 --> 02:52:59,399 good he is and we all just like oh yeah 3903 02:53:01,939 --> 02:53:00,569 that's that poster from you know 3904 02:53:04,370 --> 02:53:01,949 someone's college dorm room or whatever 3905 02:53:05,660 --> 02:53:04,380 yeah when I was a kid I'll just say this 3906 02:53:07,700 --> 02:53:05,670 really quick when I was a kid I was like 3907 02:53:10,069 --> 02:53:07,710 nine ten years old and I was going to be 3908 02:53:12,800 --> 02:53:10,079 an artist and eventually did and that's 3909 02:53:15,889 --> 02:53:12,810 all fine but I got for my 10th birthday 3910 02:53:18,649 --> 02:53:15,899 I got the complete works of MC Escher 3911 02:53:23,359 --> 02:53:18,659 which was a famous book back in where 3912 02:53:26,510 --> 02:53:23,369 I'm talking about 1973-74 right in there 3913 02:53:29,750 --> 02:53:26,520 but big thick oversized you know coffee 3914 02:53:32,960 --> 02:53:29,760 table book of everything that he had 3915 02:53:36,739 --> 02:53:32,970 ever done from from the first to the 3916 02:53:38,899 --> 02:53:36,749 last and I you're absolutely right there 3917 02:53:40,790 --> 02:53:38,909 are things by ashore that we're not 3918 02:53:43,609 --> 02:53:40,800 famous that were some of my favorite 3919 02:53:45,649 --> 02:53:43,619 things that he had ever done just an 3920 02:53:47,149 --> 02:53:45,659 extraordinary guy you know people just 3921 02:53:49,189 --> 02:53:47,159 like Italian landscapes that are just 3922 02:53:51,319 --> 02:53:49,199 beautiful because it's not some tricky 3923 02:53:53,599 --> 02:53:51,329 like you know visual thing it's just a 3924 02:53:56,779 --> 02:53:53,609 landscape yep and I appreciated his 3925 02:53:57,710 --> 02:53:56,789 mathematics you know and I I you know I 3926 02:54:01,099 --> 02:53:57,720 totally get that 3927 02:54:04,099 --> 02:54:01,109 but his he was just a great artist he 3928 02:54:07,639 --> 02:54:04,109 had a really good sense yeah things now 3929 02:54:12,609 --> 02:54:07,649 one of my favorite posters of yours 3930 02:54:16,189 --> 02:54:12,619 believe it or not is Faith No More and 3931 02:54:18,430 --> 02:54:16,199 now go ahead have at it because 3932 02:54:20,261 --> 02:54:18,440 everything is here 3933 02:54:21,700 --> 02:54:20,271 well I'm so that I guess but for that 3934 02:54:22,690 --> 02:54:21,710 tour it was called the second coming 3935 02:54:24,400 --> 02:54:22,700 because I think it was like a reunion 3936 02:54:27,730 --> 02:54:24,410 tour at Faith No More maybe husband I 3937 02:54:30,011 --> 02:54:27,740 don't remember his 2009 and so just that 3938 02:54:32,410 --> 02:54:30,021 they said they had had the second coming 3939 02:54:36,700 --> 02:54:32,420 on the poster and and and and so just 3940 02:54:38,890 --> 02:54:36,710 playing off of that was this idea of I 3941 02:54:40,631 --> 02:54:38,900 think at that point too you know that 3942 02:54:42,160 --> 02:54:40,641 that whole like if that passage from the 3943 02:54:43,690 --> 02:54:42,170 Bible that everybody talks about a thine 3944 02:54:46,320 --> 02:54:43,700 eye be single then the whole body will 3945 02:54:48,160 --> 02:54:46,330 fill with light you know I - I think 3946 02:54:49,960 --> 02:54:48,170 Peres did that idea that that was 3947 02:54:51,280 --> 02:54:49,970 speaking specifically about the pie meal 3948 02:54:52,511 --> 02:54:51,290 now I don't know if I think it's someone 3949 02:54:55,270 --> 02:54:52,521 speaking about the pineal and more just 3950 02:54:57,091 --> 02:54:55,280 about singular vision or holistic vision 3951 02:54:59,980 --> 02:54:57,101 you know if your if your vision is 3952 02:55:02,410 --> 02:54:59,990 singular and you're seeing everything 3953 02:55:03,970 --> 02:55:02,420 you know it's holistic then then the 3954 02:55:07,030 --> 02:55:03,980 whole body will fill the light so it was 3955 02:55:09,280 --> 02:55:07,040 it was a play off of data again that 3956 02:55:10,360 --> 02:55:09,290 idea of any time there's an eye in any 3957 02:55:14,530 --> 02:55:10,370 of my stuff it's talking about 3958 02:55:16,240 --> 02:55:14,540 enlightenment and and it was and I like 3959 02:55:17,740 --> 02:55:16,250 the idea to the idea of the band name 3960 02:55:19,780 --> 02:55:17,750 being face no more that you don't need 3961 02:55:21,520 --> 02:55:19,790 face anymore because you know so you 3962 02:55:23,290 --> 02:55:21,530 don't need to you don't there's no more 3963 02:55:24,761 --> 02:55:23,300 faith necessary you already you have 3964 02:55:26,710 --> 02:55:24,771 knowledge and it's not something that 3965 02:55:29,170 --> 02:55:26,720 you just hope is true and you know it's 3966 02:55:32,591 --> 02:55:29,180 true and and that one has two serpents 3967 02:55:37,270 --> 02:55:32,601 in it too and so it was yeah and and 3968 02:55:40,750 --> 02:55:37,280 we've got to wrap the show so before let 3969 02:55:42,881 --> 02:55:40,760 me go direct with this poster because 3970 02:55:45,220 --> 02:55:42,891 you've got two serpents you've got a 3971 02:55:47,080 --> 02:55:45,230 pyramid you've got the pineal gland 3972 02:55:51,310 --> 02:55:47,090 you've got the third eye you've got two 3973 02:55:53,500 --> 02:55:51,320 all-seeing eyes you've got an individual 3974 02:55:58,091 --> 02:55:53,510 you've got hands holding the serpents 3975 02:56:00,700 --> 02:55:58,101 you've got possibilities of so many 3976 02:56:04,570 --> 02:56:00,710 other things here all wrapped up into 3977 02:56:07,720 --> 02:56:04,580 one is this a dangerous zone to go into 3978 02:56:09,850 --> 02:56:07,730 in that somebody's gonna say oh look at 3979 02:56:12,900 --> 02:56:09,860 all of this symbolism I mean come on 3980 02:56:16,270 --> 02:56:12,910 they're not even hiding the fact right 3981 02:56:17,560 --> 02:56:16,280 yeah no I'm sure people I'm sure people 3982 02:56:19,570 --> 02:56:17,570 were just probably people who are 3983 02:56:21,100 --> 02:56:19,580 listening to this this right now that 3984 02:56:23,200 --> 02:56:21,110 I've never seen my work that will go in 3985 02:56:26,230 --> 02:56:23,210 and look at my work and Ecko this is all 3986 02:56:27,250 --> 02:56:26,240 esoteric occult Freemasonry symbolism 3987 02:56:29,770 --> 02:56:27,260 this and like we were talking about with 3988 02:56:31,480 --> 02:56:29,780 the house and Moloch I think and and 3989 02:56:31,849 --> 02:56:31,490 that's like I said before the risk that 3990 02:56:40,130 --> 02:56:31,859 I 3991 02:56:42,080 --> 02:56:40,140 wonder like if they're going to be upset 3992 02:56:44,359 --> 02:56:42,090 I'm sort of forcing it on them I'm 3993 02:56:46,969 --> 02:56:44,369 forced in my own want to express the 3994 02:56:48,859 --> 02:56:46,979 symbolism on bands that haven't asked 3995 02:56:52,540 --> 02:56:48,869 for it you know in any way shape or form 3996 02:56:54,349 --> 02:56:52,550 so I do get there is there is the 3997 02:56:57,109 --> 02:56:54,359 apprehension sometimes where I'm like 3998 02:56:58,609 --> 02:56:57,119 this could ruffle some feathers or it 3999 02:57:00,019 --> 02:56:58,619 could at least upset the people that I'm 4000 02:57:01,250 --> 02:57:00,029 working for but we're not gonna work 4001 02:57:02,630 --> 02:57:01,260 with Brad anymore he caused a bunch of 4002 02:57:04,069 --> 02:57:02,640 controversy because you know the good 4003 02:57:05,569 --> 02:57:04,079 cause he's making us he's putting 4004 02:57:08,179 --> 02:57:05,579 imagery to attach that we don't want to 4005 02:57:11,659 --> 02:57:08,189 attach to us but no one said anything at 4006 02:57:13,580 --> 02:57:11,669 this point and you get otherwise they 4007 02:57:15,229 --> 02:57:13,590 just go cool poster they're just stoked 4008 02:57:17,149 --> 02:57:15,239 on it there's no like we saw that 4009 02:57:19,099 --> 02:57:17,159 all-seeing eye and we're glad you put it 4010 02:57:21,189 --> 02:57:19,109 in there we saw that all saying I am how 4011 02:57:25,069 --> 02:57:21,199 dare you put that in right it's it's a 4012 02:57:26,300 --> 02:57:25,079 it's it's interesting and I think I 4013 02:57:27,679 --> 02:57:26,310 think but with artists I think they're 4014 02:57:31,460 --> 02:57:27,689 okay with it I think most of the bands 4015 02:57:33,019 --> 02:57:31,470 are okay with people being unsure push I 4016 02:57:35,449 --> 02:57:33,029 think you know it's the same thing like 4017 02:57:36,830 --> 02:57:35,459 a punk rocker who wears a swastika on 4018 02:57:38,420 --> 02:57:36,840 his jacket because he wants to get a 4019 02:57:40,069 --> 02:57:38,430 rise out of somebody you know it doesn't 4020 02:57:41,869 --> 02:57:40,079 mean he's a Nazi but he's just like I 4021 02:57:44,719 --> 02:57:41,879 know this is going to confront people on 4022 02:57:47,330 --> 02:57:44,729 cause them to be upset so I think 4023 02:57:50,469 --> 02:57:47,340 artists do you have that idea of being 4024 02:57:53,210 --> 02:57:50,479 okay with pushing people to you know 4025 02:57:54,559 --> 02:57:53,220 uncomfortable places and have to wonder 4026 02:57:56,179 --> 02:57:54,569 and pick why is that in there why are 4027 02:57:58,819 --> 02:57:56,189 they using that you know I think I think 4028 02:58:01,849 --> 02:57:58,829 I think there are certain artists that 4029 02:58:05,149 --> 02:58:01,859 are okay with using symbolism that's 4030 02:58:07,189 --> 02:58:05,159 maybe you know people are uncertain 4031 02:58:08,809 --> 02:58:07,199 about it and just keeping it mysterious 4032 02:58:10,460 --> 02:58:08,819 and adding to their own mystique but 4033 02:58:13,880 --> 02:58:10,470 that's just my own no one's ever said 4034 02:58:16,519 --> 02:58:13,890 that this is me now I've got I've got a 4035 02:58:19,099 --> 02:58:16,529 roll credits in 30 seconds so answer 4036 02:58:21,649 --> 02:58:19,109 this as quick as possible I had went 4037 02:58:28,069 --> 02:58:21,659 through all of your stuff and I saw an 4038 02:58:31,399 --> 02:58:28,079 absence of thoth why I thought the IRA 4039 02:58:32,989 --> 02:58:31,409 said it got yes I would say he's in 4040 02:58:36,109 --> 02:58:32,999 there I would say any time you see that 4041 02:58:38,119 --> 02:58:36,119 I that that service is in there that the 4042 02:58:40,550 --> 02:58:38,129 representation of thought and thinking 4043 02:58:45,679 --> 02:58:40,560 and no consolation in the revelation 4044 02:58:48,139 --> 02:58:45,689 sauce the god yeah okay those head 4045 02:58:50,889 --> 02:58:48,149 III think every time I'm using the 4046 02:58:53,959 --> 02:58:50,899 symbolism of the i-i-i-i associative 4047 02:58:55,939 --> 02:58:53,969 sauce there so this idea of thought and 4048 02:58:57,109 --> 02:58:55,949 contemplation and wisdom so he's not in 4049 02:59:01,029 --> 02:58:57,119 there with his head he's not in there 4050 02:59:03,139 --> 02:59:01,039 but I feel like he's he's referenced 4051 02:59:06,139 --> 02:59:03,149 that's a good answer that was a 4052 02:59:09,619 --> 02:59:06,149 political answer that was safe hey Brad 4053 02:59:12,619 --> 02:59:09,629 amazing show thank you so much and I 4054 02:59:15,050 --> 02:59:12,629 can't wait for your presentation for the 4055 02:59:17,119 --> 02:59:15,060 magical Egypt symposium I can't wait for 4056 02:59:19,609 --> 02:59:17,129 episode 6 I think maybe you and I might 4057 02:59:21,550 --> 02:59:19,619 even do something you know we might both 4058 02:59:24,619 --> 02:59:21,560 be in that episode but nonetheless 4059 02:59:26,719 --> 02:59:24,629 thank you so much this conversation was 4060 02:59:28,219 --> 02:59:26,729 all of that and I really appreciate you 4061 02:59:32,959 --> 02:59:28,229 taking the time tonight thank you so 4062 02:59:35,709 --> 02:59:32,969 much thank you so much and we'll do it 4063 02:59:44,119 --> 02:59:35,719 again soon thank you so much Brad 4064 02:59:46,099 --> 02:59:44,129 go create Brad Claussen amazing now his 4065 02:59:50,059 --> 02:59:46,109 website of course if you need any 4066 02:59:51,319 --> 02:59:50,069 artwork done artillery design calm you 4067 02:59:53,300 --> 02:59:51,329 can go right there the links are at 4068 02:59:56,599 --> 02:59:53,310 Jimmy Church radio calm go to magical 4069 02:59:58,639 --> 02:59:56,609 Egypt dot-com and go check out Brad's 4070 03:00:00,819 --> 02:59:58,649 presentation for the magical Egypt 4071 03:00:03,739 --> 03:00:00,829 symposium I'm your host Jimmy church 4072 03:00:06,139 --> 03:00:03,749 tomorrow night is Fator night open lines 4073 03:00:08,269 --> 03:00:06,149 all night long fade to black cigs ecute 4074 03:00:10,219 --> 03:00:08,279 a-- producer is Rita Kumari on shows 4075 03:00:12,739 --> 03:00:10,229 produced by Hilton J Palmer nay Dennis 4076 03:00:16,309 --> 03:00:12,749 and Bob 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03:00:49,061 Church radio I'll see everybody tomorrow 4091 03:00:59,720 --> 03:00:52,780 night right here until then everybody be